Would you vote to impeach? Would you to remove?

Fellow republicans that want him out because he’s revealing how ducked up our govt is. Not that we didn’t already know. But shows how none of them want their golden goose changed. Why would you want to be forced to work for a living when you can just sit around and complain all day and get nothing done. Our govt needs an enema.

 

Would you agree that a conspiracy within the justice system to politicize and manipulate the process of investigation and prosecution for the purpose of subverting the electoral process and it's outcome would qualify as "High crimes and misdemeanors"? Or is the misdemeanor category inappropriate, leaving only High Crimes- possibly, treason?

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, ...

I took that oath long ago, and damn sure will keep it. At the time I wondered why it included the phrase "domestic" enemies, because I'd never heard of such a thing and couldn't imagine any Americans could be that low.
Today, I know why.

 

Funny how those who use vicious labeling as common language think those who speak to them should avoid offending them with phrases that might imply wrongdoing.
The double standard seems to know no boundaries.

 

"Swamp" apparently means something different to Trump supporters than to normal people.

To Trump supporters "the swamp" consists of non Trump sycophants.

Corruption is and never was part of that equation. In fact corruption appears to be a desirable feature in the current "swamp" creatures

 

Forever trying to convince yourself that it's not you in the hole of darkness, the pit of despair.
You can run from the truth, hide from the truth, deny the truth, lie about the truth- but you can't change the truth.
And despite doing your best at that, you know what it really is, don't you?

 

There it is, the Drumpf narrative being used to discredit the investigation. Because.................. “If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.”

 

When a senior federal judge tells you that it's witch hunt based on lies, power grab and utter disregard for rules and the bounds of the mandate, you better pay attention.

 

But.........you understand that isn't remotely what happened, right?

 

A peace and prosperity president will not be impeached.

 

Even if the evidence warrants it?

 

Even if the evidence warrants it.

People don't want to go back to a managed decline government.

 

I don't know what "a managed decline government" means but your assertion a majority of Americans want the prez to get away with having committed an impeachable offense with no consequence is wrong.

 

There are no "high crimes and misdemeanors" to draft.

Don't waste any sleep waiting for it either.

 

It seems to me that raising the specter of impeachment has become a required opposition maneuver. I'm pretty old so I don't know how many more times I will have to see this s*** go on but I hope never again. When I hear the term "special prosecutor" I just want to scream because it means here we go again. It's sad to see a great Democracy reduced to this kind of turd throwing.

 

There is little doubt that a lot of ideological clap-trap is posted on a daily basis. Tell me about truth and the process you employ to achieve this elusive state. My idea? Truth requires a lot of digging and acceptance of demonstrable facts from multiple, proven reliable sources. One starts with a hypothesis, not a conclusion or worse, opinions of others.

 

Borat understands that's what happened. I understand that's what happened. The judge understands that's what happened.

So tell us Lee- what are the things you like most about our president? The characteristics or accomplishments that make you feel warm and fuzzy inside?
We know you are hiding them for fear of being attacked by the hate police. But be bold, step up and tell us.

Perhaps the all-time record low for black unemployment that has just been reached?
The remarkable low unemployment levels now that apply to all ethnic groups?
The fact he obliterated the entrenched Clinton Cartel on a shoestring budget from an underdog position?
The unprecedented breakthrough in the 68 year old Korean war?
The soon to be longest economic boom in history?
The fact that even CNN is fessing up, and has somehow finally found the courage to say "Yes- Trump gets credit for the economy"?
The way he pledges to work for all Americans- even you? How can you doubt the character of a man who can pledge that?

We know that behind the lip service to the left, ya gotta love the guy for what he's doing for America, and we know it's growing on you, getting harder to deny.
Share it with us.

 

I'd be glad to shred your argument if you want to pursue the subject.

 

It's cute watching the alt and far right cons trying to climb up out of the darkness but always always sliding down into the never ending despair.

The judge must follow the law, and Mueller's prosecutors will force him or any other all the way to SCOTUS if necessary.

SCOTUS has made it quite clear that it will let the investigation go forward within Mueller's remit, and the judge is bound by said remit.

 

You are incorrect about "high crimes." And your comparison with England is faulty and inappropriate: England's impeachment threshold is considerably lower than ours; nor does it have a constitutional basis.
I know of on one in the executive branch here (as opposed to England) being impeached for "negligence of duty, gross incompetence and/or moral turpitude." It is possible it might apply to judges, though the serving "in good behavior" has been assumed to be a very high bar. Impeachment for negligence of duty, gross incompetence would be in direct violation of the words and meaning of the constitution. Moral turpitude would be extremely dubious.
There is no evidence that Trump comes anywhere near the threshold for impeachment. Any such attempt would only be a major part of a soft coup to overthrow the government.

 

Any realistic person knows truth has become extremely elusive for people in this climate. However it is right in front of us- just buried by the biggest piles of BS in political history. Denied, distorted, twisted, re-defined and "tested" with methods intended to prevent it being understood.

TRUTH has become the elusive state- the acceptance of BS is the one that is common.

The pursuit of truth requires skepticism- doubt of anything lacking clean, factual and provable support. It also requires people willing to apply the tests with consistent balance, and there is the downfall. IF you can't see what is right, then you can't see at all. Between total black and total white, in the various shades of grey there is a line honest people draw for themselves which divides what is acceptable or unacceptable to them. If you are unable to recognize the positives- not that doing so must change your line, but acknowledge the balance of factors that should form your judgment- then you are unable to form an honest opinion and are likely to be here ranting against Trump or some other issue as if the truth scared hell out of you and you dare not face it.

That means being able to recognize Trumps weaknesses as well as his strengths before you have the basis for any considered judgment.
I have no trouble acknowledging Trumps weaknesses at all, and like most conservatives we wish they weren't part of the overall picture. We also recognize what his strengths are, and that they far out weigh the inconveniences of his weakness- thus, we support the objective. I have yet to hear anyone on the other side of the issue be willing to acknowledge a single positive credit about Trump- and that indicates the fear they will not face. It's a wall of denial that is beginning to crack; CNN today found the courage to acknowledge that Trump does get credit for the economic boom. I'd bet that was painful as hell for them. There will be more.

It's kind of like a situation where the only surgeon who can do the operation that will save your life has a lousy bedside manner- so do we need to find someone who tells us what we want to hear, or get on with the surgery? If there is no nice guy that can do the job, do you let yourself die out of spite for him? Or do you balance your offended feelings against what you have to lose- draw the line to allow you to reach the objective. People must make their own choice, but a great deal of it depends on your willingness to see the whole picture without lying to yourself.

 

That appears to be the case with your interpretation of the events in Judge Ellis' courtroom yesterday.

 

You mean you would bring on the flying monkey strategy? Desperation doesn't change truth. Go look up the entire statements the judge made, and quit thinking you can translate it and explain that he meant something other than he said.

 

I'm quite familiar with the details of what happened and what was said. If you actually want to defend borat's interpretation my offer stands, I will shred it.

 

Thank you.

 

Rod does not understand the law, and spiritgide is merely propagandizing, nothing more.

Charges for impeachment are whatever Congress decides they are, and there is no mythical bar to surmount as some of the less educated members of the public may think.

Trump indeed, as we all do, has weaknesses. It's his proclivity for criminality that drives the investigation per the Rosenstein remit.