Would you vote to impeach? Would you to remove?

What a bunch of empirical nonsense combined with pseudo, dubious comparisons.

Most of us deal in facts and reality. You consistently deal with questionable theories because the facts and reality do not fit your illustrations of Trump.

You are right about one thing, though, when it comes to the Trump administration. TRUTH has become the elusive state- the acceptance of BS is the one that is common.

That is not completely accurate. BS has become common trait of the Trump White House. Trump calls it "truthful hyperbole" and he is quite adept at lying. Americans are not accepting it.

 

Can anybody recall Sandy Shanks calling out Obama over any of his lies? I am wracking my brains trying to recall even one. Seems when Obama comes up, he wants to change the subject again.

 

Americans have been bitching about political abuse in Washington all our lives. The impact of money over duty. The squandering of tax dollars. Injustice. Paralysis. Botched, ineffective programs, that get patched but never get fixed. Short term thinking. Lip service to real problems. Long, long list. NO president's rating has been lower than congress- and we all say, but what can we do? We throw one bum out and elect another one just like him. Why- because they control who we can elect in the first place, who can actually get on the final ballot with a chance. Either side- republican, democrat, independent- all controlled by the game. That's why we keep losing.

Washington has had a sort of club- not unlike a corrupt, "on the take" police department but far larger, far more lucrative. Appearing to do it's job at least in some ways to appear legitimate, but always skimming off the public- protecting itself, it's power, and protecting it's own against exposure. Telling themselves they are honorable while all participating in scams, such as the insider trading that got exposed a few years back, and is still going on. Now only congress can remove a member of congress, and it's easy for them to do. However, they have dumped only TWO- in the last 150 years. That's real job security. TWO.

All that is because of the closed nature of the upper power in government. IF want to run and you couldn't get the support of main party politics, IF you couldn't get the big money that requires selling yourself out, you simply couldn't get elected to any position of power. IF somehow you managed to get a seat in congress but failed to play the game and keep quiet- you couldn't get anything done; you would be made to look impotent- and certainly not be re-elected to office. Honesty doesn't have a chance. That is what all of us have complained about for as long as you or I can remember- and not a damn thing has changed, no matter how much we tried, no matter what they promised us. Until now.

Along comes Trump. He's not a politician, not a washington insider, not in need of party money, not in need of selling himself out to get office. He's a power person, fearless, courageous and a street fighter with strategic brilliance as well as a coarse personality. He's willing to take the challenge- take on something that has never been done or even tried before. A unique twist in the political game, a wild card of sorts. From the first indication he was serious- fear took hold of the entrenched political club. Fear.
The reaction to his candidacy was to treat it like a joke- but in fact, the choice to play it that way was motivated by that fear; fear that such a person could totally upset the hog-trough washington has fed on all these years and expose them. So they did all they could to portray him as a joke, thinking that doing so would kill votes by the millions. They were wrong- but had come to believe their own BS to the point that his election night win shocked them all; not just Hillary. That wasn't the end of anything- it was the beginning of a war to keep the game protected from an outside reformer who they knew wasn't going to play along. This is panic in the good ol boys club, and the extent of their power, and their willingness to protect it at all costs goes way beyond what most people think. That is the reason you have seen the hesitance in so many congressmen, including republicans, to get off the fence. They don't know which way to jump to save their asses, and are waiting for the picture to clear up.

Would anyone really think that anyone could come in to reform this mess (the swamp) without massive backlash, without dirty tricks coming out of the woodwork everywhere and all the stops be pulled out? That scandal wouldn't be promoted, bought and paid for and used as a weapon? Without heads rolling when people either failed to do their job or were caught abusing their position? Without massive whining and protesting? None but a total fool would believe that.

All those things are happening- the hogs are defending the trough with everything they have against the first real threat it's faced in your lifetime, and that is Trump. An outside reformer they can't control. And, he IS doing what they feared he would do- cleaning the swamp, demanding performance, calling them out. Worse- he's winning the war, which is far from over.

Despite the denials, the things that have been accomplished politically despite all the obstruction, obstruction that exceeds that thrown at any president in modern history and is unprecedented. That's not opinion, it's factual documented results. Denial, "Say it isn't so" doesn't change it.

The overall unemployment rate is now lower than it has been in 45 years.
We are closing in on the 2nd longest economic boom in history.
The stock market set over 100 new records since the election.
We are close to negotiating an end to the longest war in our history- the 68 years of war and truce with Korea, along with possible denuclearization and reunification.

And that's just a few- accomplished in only 16 months in office. Think what could be done if all those people who have bitched all these years got their facts straight and told their congressmen that they had better clean up their act or pack their bags. His approval rate keeps climbing- the fear he might succeed keeps growing. The hate campaign keeps the propaganda flying- but the accomplishments keep happening.

Totally unprecedented- and yet, totally denied by the left who have failed to look at the big picture. The left? Includes not only the people defending the trough and their privileges- but the people who have bought into the hate message and are helping those who feed on them everyday, who sell themselves and the people out for personal gain, feed on them some more- helping protect their power, the very power that prevents the people from actually controlling the government as they are supposed to do.

What kind of a nincompoop would do that?

 

The smart people know what's real. The left are buying the BS that claims Trump is the BS- and that makes fools of them. You have, as usual, been passed up by the truth like a fast freight and didn't notice a thing.
I just added a post to this thread that you should read.

 

Above the reader will find a post of eleven paragraphs of propaganda, imo.

Real Americans know who are the enemies of America. They are not the Obamaites, the centrists, the responsible right to the responsible left. They are not the McCains, the Grahams, the Flakes, the Corkers, or even the Ryans and the Gowdys.

The Alt Right, which is so non-conservative in so many ways, and those Americans who agree with its racialism, ethnocentrism, nativism, uber nationalism, and anti democracy impulses threaten the very existence of the Republic as it was and as it should be.

 

The alt-lefties are the real traitors with their rally cries to abolish the 2nd Amendment and confiscate guns.

 

The alt reighties are the real traitors with their rally lies that true Americans from the responsible right to the responsible left wish to abolish the 2nd Amendment and confiscate guns.

 

LOL, you are supporting third world tactics to topple a freely and fairly elected president and you have the gall to claim the high road?

 

Even though some on the left call for that?

 

So is Mueller and the judge just called him out on that.

 

LOL, like Rosenstein you believe there is no oversight by Congress even though that is its constitutional duty.

 

No doubt if impeachment proceedings begin they will suck all the oxygen out of DC. But we aren't there yet. If we get there, it will be for a very good reason.

 

Nope. Congressmen are not entitled to see DOJ documents that are part of an ongoing investigation. Besides, they just want to tip off the WH with what they are asking for. No purpose is served in obtaining the documents other than that.

 

So you don’t think Congress has oversight and think the DOJ can act like a government within a government. Sigh, the state of education these days.

 

Congress has investigative powers also

Swamp rats at DOJ are not above the law

 

So far, it has chosen conspicuously NOT to do so.

The Judiciary and Government Reform Committees are hardly doing anything at all, and Nunes has reduced the Intelligence Committee to the status of lickspittle joke.

 

That''s what the Clinton impeachment was.

Trump ranted that all the investigators were Democrats, which is an obvious and flat out lie (his favorite kind).

 

Democrats are spending all their time and energy in the quest for impeachment while Trump is busy fixing our economy, ending the Korean war, denuking NK and making sure it's doesn't get nukes with a bad deal. Really pathetic

 

Not interested

14 Liberal activists Hillary donors led by 1 swampy never-Trumper.... Split hairs all you like, these are facts.

 

They could always do more

But the corrupt Deep State sewer rats want them to do nothing

 

It's not just some, it's many in leadership positions.

It would appear their approach is death by a 1000 cuts. Incrementalism is a constant liberal/socialist progressive approach to their version of "change".

 

The real joke is you ignoring the things uncovered.

 

Very rational. And fair minded. I am with you. I demand rationality, and that makes our team rational and the people affected with trump hatred, irrational.

I cannot stand trump's personality. It grates and sometimes even sickens me a bit. But that is not a reason to impeach and remove from office. There needs to be a fire under the smoke. Except some of these trump hating hillary voters want the smoke to suffice, even without the fire.

So the FOG becomes smoke, and that is close enough for these guys. Kinda of like the fellow who sees a rope in twilight and jumps and screams, before he realizes he is not seeing a snake. And then keeps jumping and screaming even after he sees it is not a snake but just a rope.