How to deal with NK artillery?

Israel gets hit all over by rockets with their anti-missile system. Easy to say... state of the art system is absolutely not a 100 proof against peaces of crap. You think the US got a system WAY better, and let Israel just get hit? You think Chinese missile technology is a lot less than Hezbollah's? And now you ask, what has Israel to do with it. Israel sets the bar if China is able to hit the US navy.

 

You made a point about aircraft carriers not being sunk. The point is,... they haven't shot the stuff we got now at those ships.

 

It's not the same weapon systems. Not even close. What's your problem?

 

So you think the anti-missile capabilities of the US is far superior of that of Israel, and that the US let Israel -who they sponsor with billions of dollars in military aid- just let them hang?

HA!

 

I'm thinking that if we were determined to attack North Korea, we would have to look at evacuating Seoul as quickly as possible and taking the artillery out as quickly as possible. That would be optimal. We could not hope to avoid significant damage to the city, but could at least minimise civilian casualties. From there it's an all-out offensive and, hopefully, a separate, simultaneous operation to decapitate the regime.

 

Not the same systems. Next.

 

America pretend to have anti-missile systems because it keeps the populace unafraid. Nobody has one. Every honest test we ever do fails miserably.

 

nitpicking... next

 

No I didn't, the post I referred to said we lost a carrier in the Atlantic while protecting convoys. I never heard that and asked for more info. That would be during WW II in case I had to point that out.

 

Ehm ... you know that Seoul has more citizens as new York city ... about 1 million more?

Apart from a nuclear strike exchange, which would be a catastrophe for the elt, the expected high number of dead civilians is, of course, a problem ...

In general, I do not hope that you are part of the faction that sees a war with NK as a relatively simple thing and not more than a walk! A war with NK is also a bleak thing for the US with thousands of dead US soldiers ... despite stealth and whatever and indisputably superior weapon technology, etc.!

The US attack on Saddam 2003 was like a boxing match between Mike Tyson and a 70 year old, handicapped man! Everyone who thinks this will be like 2003, will wake up nasty ...

 

Finally you voiced an opinion albeit by accident that is true. When we attack NK, and we will.. it will be exactly if not even more of a beating than what we delivered to Sadaam. We have 100% air, sea control vs his artillery. Just like we always do.

You guys all need to stop reading major media on this issue because they are all uneducated drama queens. I see page after page of people crying about Seoul and supposed catastrophic casualties and destruction of Seoul and its not possible.

At all! The bulk of NKs artillery can't even reach Seoul. Only their Koksun artillery and 200m rockets can hit Seoul at all. Like a few hundred pieces?

All this ranting and fear mongering about destruction of Seoul is stupid. These weapons aren't BOMBS.. It's artillery and it is retardedly ineffective against hard targets. Like buildings.. Unless they are given days to shoot over and over. Just go into a basement and take a nap and let the booms lull me to sleep is what I would do if in SK. Come out and clean up afterwards.

Stratford has some nice articles on this evolving situation and some plain good common sense applied to their analysis too.

So anti American doubters can blow hot air all day. Bottom line is we are going to get those missiles one way or the other. Seoul isn't going to be destroyed and life goes on.

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/how-north-korea-would-retaliate

 

Ehm ... WHAT???
Sorry to say, but even NK has of course no chance to win alone against the USA, this will be no military walk and a bloody nasty war for the US with huge casualties on US side too!
This is no MSM drama Queen BS ... this is fact, because NK is not Iraq in any circumstances and if you start to attack, he will bite back heavy!

So all those "NK will be an easy task and a military walk" morons will be wake up messy when truth will face them!
All the time when I read that the US will need 1 or 2 weeks and then NK has nothing left and will collapse will badly wonder about their arrogance!

 

Your opinion is uneducated. You have nothing to support it but wishful thinking and MSM hysteria.

We don't have to invade NK with an army to remove all of NKs missiles, the infrastructure supporting it and the nukes. That is the goal. Not going to be an invasion.. which China isn't going to allow anyway. Once things pop off and the dust settles both we and the Chinese will swoop in and remove what's left by hand. Verify total removal, and leave. The Chinese will assist because they don't care about KJU, they just don't want a unified Korea. Specifically a democratic one.

 

Sorry. Missed that one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sunken_aircraft_carriers
5/8 UK aircraft carriers ever sunk, were sunk in WW2 by U boats.

 

Prior US Army here. Effective rage of their artillery is 50 miles, ineffective range is 80 miles. People and things on the surface are at most risk. Go to ground.

So you are in luck if you live at least 80 miles away from their border. Your best defense is to live in the countryside, or have a bomb shelter to go to quickly. Make sure you have enough water, food and other supplies at hand to move quickly. Having a gun would also help you kill the dozens of other people in a mass shelter that will come after your supplies.

 

Uneducated? Cool ... I am only expert for artillery and tank warfare!

I will say your arrogance that it will be a military walk and some bombings and cruise missiles and mission accomplished is uneducated and comes from a fairy tale world!

And the Chinese care about, because any US soldier at their border is a no go and this is their valid and understandable point!

 

Ah, you were talking British carriers.

 

I doubt very seriously your an expert on artillery. If you were you'd know that only a small fraction of NKs artillery can even reach Seoul and you would also know that artillery is very ineffective against hard targets. Yet in several threads your screaming the sky is going to fall and fear mongering about the devastation of Seoul with countless dead blah blah blah

Biased political narrative instead of expertise more like it.

It's BULLCRAP.

Your opinion gets trashed by someone and they are arrogant. You have nothing to support any of your doom and gloom predictions. Zero. Nada.

Expert my arse. Expert in spewing biased socialist anti American rhetoric bout it.

 

I know what I don't know when it comes to the Korean situation, so no, I am not among those who think it's something simple. For those who may think it is simple, I refer to Dunning-Kruger...

 

Actually Seoul is within range of many NK artillery and rocket launchers. Worst case it's arm with incinerate bio or chem warhead

 

Kinetic Bombardment weapons could neutralize NK artillery in a few minutes, possibly before it could even get a shot off.

I think its pretty unlikely that we dont have Kinetic Bombardment weapons already deployed in orbit. The tech is simple and has existed for half a century, the strategic value is monumental and theres no international laws or treaties restricting it.

The problem is that (if we have it) it is currently secret, and using it would unveil its existance to the world.

 

Yeah I thought about this too. Artillery could fire 20 miles in ww2. I think whatever the NK has is better than that. Got to be.

 

thats costly and fantasy at this point. there are many issues with unguided bomb when drop from oribit, with guided bomb, it wont receive signal during re-entry due to hot plasma, further more, it cost millions $$$ just to put few lb stuff into orbit. so you basically has something in the dozen millions $$$ per bomb, and the luncher holding it, is even more expensive. its MUCH cost effective just use B1B. also its almost impossible to detect artillery from oribit, especially its in camo.

No we dont have it, due to cost and technology required when there is much better option using B2/B1B etc

 

There would be no reason whatsoever to invade N. Korea. Within a day, three at the most, it would be the proverbial shooting fish in a barrel. Eliminate NK's nuclear program, hit their bases and military assets, destroy their utilities, communications and transportation network - and within two weeks NK is starving. Then, since NK is China's slave labor colony anyway, leave the mess for China to clean up. Ideally, the Chinese military would move in to NK - and the problem 100% solved. The UN would rant about it for a while and the matter then would be over - and once China took over we could bring our troops in SK home.

It only is complicated for those who want to force reuniting the two Koreas, which is almost as bad an idea as it was to reunite the 2 Germanys.

It may have been better if the USSR had left the wall up.

 

First, NK can not bring their artillery up to the border or it would be wiped out almost immediately. Second, our artillery is at least as good, and ours would not have to be at the border. Third, we would see their artillery from satellite and they could not see ours. Accordingly, our artillery could wipe out theirs quickly.

Seoul is not at NK's border. NK artillery, even at the NK border, can only reach the northern suburbs of SK.

But also importantly, bombing or blowing up cities and civilians has NO military defense value. Rather, it is diverting defense from defense to instead so inflame the other side they will mercilessly counter attack. It would be Kim Jung Un being the sadistic mass murderer for the joy of murder we already know that he is.

It is very revealing that while defending Kim Jung Un, his supporters also insist he is a genocidal minded mass murderer as attacking Seoul would not be for military defense, but just to be genocidal because he wants to be genocidal. If we attack and he does, blaming us would be like blaming the Allies for the Nazi holocaust.