Guess whose fault it is that Russia invaded Crimea. Hint: not Putin's

Well... thank you for proving another Trump hypocrisy. Trump gives Ukraine weapons, but denies them to NATO unless they pay.

 

I don't know of any organizations you can belong to that requires a fee that if you don't pay it, you can belong. At least he gave them weapons to defend themselves with, that's a hell of a lot more than Obama did.What was it the President of Ukraine said? You can't fight a war with blankets

 

Once you say it you have to do it or nothing else you say has any credibility. So you shouldn't say it unless you are 1000% ready to wage war to force another country to cease and desist -- from making mass chemical weapons and chemical attacks on civilians in this particular case.

 

Putin is going to humiliate Trump.

Trump is NOT a real man.. He is a pathetically insecure braggart and bully.

 

Obama and NATO settle that issue several years ago.. Trump is either ignorant or a liar.

Read up on it yourself.

 

It is obama's fault. Putin knew he could get away with it because obama had no backbone.

 

Usually if I make a flat out statement I usually post proof to back it up. I won't call you out unless I can show your wrong. If you think I'm wrong, show me, don't tell me to look it up.

 

Actually, Obama disarmed Ukraine in 2005 under the promise the US would defend them. When Russia rolled in, Obama sat on his hands. No wonder we're no longer trusted to keep our commitments.

 

I hadn't heard that, but I do know one thing. Obama was a waste. He did more harm than good to America. He allowed ISIS to grow into one of the most vicious groups this world has ever seen. His job creation was mostly all service and part time jobs that most Americans couldn't make a living off of, much less support a family. He made a mess of the Middle East and most of the heads of states there hated him. He was so wishie washey no one was afraid of us. I blame him for most of the Muslim invasion of Europe which will never be the same again. And the Left and Obama himself, think he was one of the best. What a joke.

 

Hold it. First of all, how did that compel Putin to invade Ukraine?

But, more importantly...These were old weapons dumped by the Soviet Union. Including WW I weapons. Others had been sold. And Obama was not only worried that they might be sold to our enemies. But that pro-russian separatists in Ukraine would take hold of them and use them against Ukraine itself. Obama didn't make Ukraine just "give up" those weapons. They were paid for. Money that Ukraine could use to buy more modern weapons or... not...

Read your own link

"Much of the Ukrainian small-arms supply was ultimately exported, not scrapped, by a Yushchenko regime that chose revenue from arms dealing over the cost of melting down metal."​

Lousy argument. Obviously taken out of wingnut media (the argument, not the article) Try again! But, next time, try thinking by yourself, instead of just repeating wingnut talking points.

 

I don't think you could have made a more absurd statement. Putin invaded Crimea because Obama inspected old soviet-era weapons?

Don't be ridiculous!

from the article you brought:

"Much of the Ukrainian small-arms supply was ultimately exported, not scrapped, by a Yushchenko regime that chose revenue from arms dealing over the cost of melting down metal."​

 

The Russians entered Syria and began military operations in September, 2015.

Obama was a doormat.

 

Here:

Here's another right-wing document in which a Democrat Administration gave Ukraine assurances that we would protect them in exchange for disarming. How is it that weapons we didn't want in the hands of al Qaeda would not be capable of repelling a conventional Russian attack.

Like it or not, Democrat Presidents have sullied our reputation and made it near impossible to engage in diplomacy with adversaries.


Budapest Memorandum[edit]
Main article: Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances
On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs. The memorandum reads as follows:[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine

 

Do you know of any where, if you belong, you don't get the benefits, but still have to meet the obligations. But if you don't belong, you get the benefits, with no obligations?

I actually gave you a chance to correct yourself. Fact is, Trump didn't "give" them anything. He authorized private weapon companies to sell them light armament. Now.. who did the exact same thing before? Oh... I remember: Obama did!

"Under the previous two administrations, the U.S. government has approved export licenses to Ukraine, so this is nothing new," -Heather Nauert (Justice Department Spokeswoman)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...o-buy-small-arms-from-u-s-firms-idUSKBN1EF0A3

I'm curious: why do you guys keep doing this? I mean, bringing talking points from the wingnut media, when doing that has only led you make fools of yourselves again and again? Have you ever considered actually fact-checking what you're going to post before posting it? Should be clear to you by now that the pseudo-journalists on Fox and Breitbart and .... any of those sources of wingnut fake news, are not going to do it for you.

 

Small arms does little against tanks. Trump sent them anti tank rockets.

 

1. Trump Approves Sending Javelin Anti-Tank ... - Fortune
   fortune.com/2017/12/23/trump-approves-javelin-missiles-ukraine
   President Trump has approved a plan to send Javelin anti-tank missile systems to Ukraine to help the U.S.-backed government there fight Russian-allied forces. Russian military and allied forces have been active in Ukraine since the 2014 ouster of pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych.
   
   
2. Trump Sends Tank-Killing Missile To Fight Russia in ...
   www.newsweek.com/trump-tank-killing-missile-fight-russia-ukraine...
   The Trump administration approved the sale of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine on Friday as it continues to fight pro-Russian forces in the eastern part of the country, a move that has angered the Kremlin and signifies the U.S. …
   
   
   

 

That;s so 180 degrees out of phase with reality out of phase with reality I'm not even sure where you got that idea.

 

Golem, I realize that you believe you have all the answers and the rest of us are idiots, but some times we get it right, More times your willing to admit.

 

If Trump can't get Putin to stop attacking US, what chances do you think he would have of stopping him from attacking Ukraine?

Please answer. And remember that the first duty of a President is not to defend Ukraine. It's to defend the U.S.

 

What makes you think Trump doesn't have the CIA, FBI and other agencies working on that? Russia started doing that before Trump was President or did you forget that? Why didn't Obama stop it?

 

List the number of attacks after Nov 9, 2016.

 

Nope! 1971. When they opened their Naval Military base in Tartus, which operates to this day.

I can't, however, rebut your claim that Obama drew a "red-line". Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. In his defense, I can only argue that he was 10 years old.

Now.... regardless of when that happened, I have no idea how, in Trump's mind (and in yours), that exonerates his boss Putin from being the only one responsible for invading Ukraine.

 

What?

I ask again: in what way does that remove responsibility from Putin for invading Crimea? Or in any way place it instead on Obama?

In 2015 we had just recently finished the Iraq war. We were still fighting a war in Afghanistan (we still are). And our economy had just recovered from the consequences of those, and starting to consolidate. And you expected Obama to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? Which, BTW, is not a NATO nation.

We couldn't afford it!

No wonder you guys voted for somebody like Trump! He's just like you!

 

Nonsense. It's a symbolic gesture. And a political talking point for Trump that only his fanatic supporters would swallow. They will have no impact. Here is the terms of the authrization says.

“The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.”
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And why would Obama never do that? Because it puts more weapons out that terrorists or our enemies could potentially get their hands on.

Look... I know this is difficult to understand by a Trump supporter, but Obama had a strategy and a goal. All the weapons that are sold in the world could, potentially, land in the hand of terrorists. So the goal was to remove as many as possible. One of the strategies was to not put more out.

Again: I know that never in a million years would somebody who supports Trump understand anything about "strategies", "plans", "goals"... Because Trump doesn't have any. But all these "little steps" do work if there is a long-term plan. And there was. Trump is such a moron that he has sent us back... years...But for the last few years, organizations like Al-Qaeda and ISIS have had a much harder time obtaining weapons. Not because they don't have money. But because the weapons they need are not there... And it's because of things like this. But Trump has been undoing them. So....

Why am I explaining this to you? You're a Marine. You should know this

 

If you're saying that all this "idiot" facade he projects is some sort of "reuse" to entrap Putin....well.... If it is, he might even get my vote. But, look.... let's be serious.... He's not! And why is he not?

Wel... that's easy. Two reasons: 1- because we didn't know enough about it before the elections. Not nearly as much as we know now. We didn't know the extent, and only had a broad understanding of some of the methods. And 2- because the leaders of Congress, which is dominated by Republicans, blocked him.

Now, one thing Obama did not do was take Putin's side against his own country. As Trump is

I'll tell you one thing: I know the word "treason" should not be thrown around lightly. But the more we learn, the closer we get to it.... How would a Marine feel about that?