Iraq to vote on bill banning US military presence

We can’t leave Iraq.

We never got a drop of the oil that liberals said we were there for.

 

Umm i don't think thats a good analysis. If America had not had a strong global presence during the post ww2 years the world would be much worse than it is today.

 

Gosh, I don't remember ever having spoken of Standard Oil.

Or is that merely a strawman?

So, Russia, China, and Iran are all about "self determination."

Got it...

 

I read the post.

Here are my thoughts:

(1) To claim that this "manipulation" theory "appears to be true" is to give far too much credence, I believe, to some speculation by (the center-left) Guardian. It offers no real proof of its theory.

(2) Those who hold to this theory--and that is really all that it is--appear to believe that President Trump is out of his depth, and really does not know quite what he is doing. And I would beg to disagree.

(3) The belief that he ever had some love for the JCPOA (or "Iran Nuclear Deal" is simply...well, astounding.

(4) The price of Middle Eastern oil should be quite irrelevant. I believe that every Middle Eastern country--as well as Venezuela (whatever the political outcome there)--should be told to keep its own oil; that the US and Europe decline to purchase even one barrel, per year, from any of these countries. Total self-sufficiency.

(5) Guerrilla attacks are, indeed, terrorism. They do not even remotely resemble the man-to-man fighting of, say, WWI or WWII.

 

No You Do Not.
Study up on Latin America history.
Various forms of corporate exploitation.
Especially regarding mining.


"They" voted "us" out
in favor of them.
Now you want to Ukraine them for the same "sorry you voted wrong"?
Got Self Determination? Only if doesn't veto it.
Brazil too. More peaceful but, in effect the same.


So thread wise, if the supervised elected gov't of Iraq wants out,
what more do you require as an expression of "self determination".
Time to leave Iraq to the Iraqis. Afghanistan etc. the same.



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That war wasn't fought so that Americans could get the oil. It was fought so that international capitalists could get control of the oil.

 

All Americans of good will, should Iraq vote for all foreign troops to leave and the US refuses, should stop paying their federal taxes.

 

if they pull out, then Iraqs wishes were honored

 

"if you want your oil..." did you really think Republicans were gonna get that oil? the left knew you would not....

Trump thinks he can just take other countries oil too, were waiting

 

I hope this passes and we get out completely, With any luck other middle eastern countries follow suit and we can finally let them all return to killing each other instead of us. Everything we do there is a mistake and one side or the other just hates us even more.

We do not belong there and they do not fit in here....the cultures do not mesh in any way.

 

it Iran gonna be the next Iraq

 

I totally agree, back when Iran and Iraq were at war I supported us helping to end it, I never dreamed that it woudl be us going to war with each of them down the road, we should of left them at it

 

The biggest problem is Israel and the hold they have on our political machine.....we basically fight for THEM as a proxy. Gotta love religion and its wonderful tendrils of influence.

 

Oh this is why... I was wondering why suddenly there's such a huge threat to American interests... it's because the Iraqis wants to kick them out just when they are about to sign a 30 year, $53 billion deal with Exxon and PetroChina,

all of a sudden oil tankers are sabotaged, threat to Exxon and other American personnel no one else knows about... rocket shot towards US embassy...

 

Let them kill each other, infact give them weapons to do so, both sides.

 

yep, Israel got put where they were because of the end times prophecy, I think they woudl of been better off had America invited them to live here instead, not like we did not have the space back then

 

Correct. Cheney and his little cabal of oil companies had already decided how those oil fields would be divvied up as soon as they stole the White House, month’s before 9/11 and their dirty little war.

 

And than Iraq decided to sell them oil fields to the highest bidder: mostly China.

 

The CIA helped Saddam and the Baathists rise to power. But Saddam became unreliable, so the CIA decided to remove their former client. The US also wanted a military presence on Iran's border with Iraq. US foreign policy is just a big, sophisticated racket. The job of the CIA mouthpieces in the corporate media is to conceal that fact from the American people.

 

Iraq is a puppet regime created by international oil barons

 

Foolish libs said we were there for the oil.

 

Libs said the Americans would take all of the oil, using American ships and taking it back to America.

 

Every government has the right to self determination. No government has the right to persecute it's people or any subset of it's people. Any government worth anything at all seeks first to defend the individual liberties of each. Over and above the collective good of all.

If the liberties of each individual are not upheld then no good can be done for all.

Or to put it another way the good of the majority is dependent in the liberty of each individual.

Spok was wrong. The good of the one outweighs the good of the many.

 

So what? We can simply be in a nearby Country. And the U.N. Can overrule this and demand entry of U.N. Troops. Right?

 

Trump is a republican

republicans said the war would pay for itself due to the oil... don't try to blame democrats

http://watchingthewatchers.org/news/624/iraq-war-cost-little-and-iraq-oil

"If you can remember that far back, before the invasion of Iraq, Dick Cheney and friends were arrogantly sure that (a) the cost of the war would be minimal, and (b) Iraq's oil revenue would fund reconstruction efforts; it would virtually be a no-cost war, one that paid for itself."