Iraq to vote on bill banning US military presence

The attitude was always leave other countries to sort out their own problems and I have come to see why that was. What we need is for the United States and its allies in particular Israel to abide by International Law. Both these changes have totally undermined the system largely put in by the US to avoid wars that kill millions of people - the next will be billions.

 

No, you are blinded by the propaganda your media feeds you. Prior to 9/11 you had at least good values - even if then you did not go by them with respect to other people. Post 9/11 you have been the most brutish country the world has ever see, At the moment you are involved in about 15 wars, have bases all over the world and are without question the biggest danger not just to world peace, which we do not have but to the survival of the world - not just in your imperialistic thirst for power but also in being the worst climate contaminatist and also having a Government which rather than do its bit to sort out the climate emergency, rather sees this as something to exploit before human life becomes extinct. Like the Ottoman's before you, you are losing your marbles as your Imperial position is falling to dust.

 

Has nothing to do with the Guardian. Comes from listening to people in general. In case you have not noticed, Trump no longer is feared like he was at the beginning. Now he is viewed as someone with a massive ego, probably a bit thick, who can be manipulated just be stroking his ego. That is what my point in him being manipulated was about. That and his ego being stroked by telling him that if he gave up the JCPA Iran would come running and he would be a hero.

Now would you please present a link to what you are presenting as a theory on this. Sounds like absolute tosh but it is how Trump is increasingly seen - that is a Narcissist with such a big ego and so little political understanding that just fluff his feathers and he will dance.
and people believe he has blown too hard and I hear did some more yesterday, blown too hard to avoid following Bolton and Pompeo and Bibi of course, the US answers first to Israel, to war in Iran and the destruction and massive loss of American life that will cause. How much do you think you are going to have to pay to fill your car? Now that is going to cheer up Trump's friends in the oil industry big.

 

So now you are wanting American's killed as well as Muslims.

 

It was worse than that. Two years before the end of the war, Iraq and Iran were close to calling an end basically due to stale mate and weariness. Up to that point the US backed Iraq. From that point in time the US covertly changed sides and started supporting Iran by giving them intelligence info on Iraqi forces. This prolonged the war by two years

 

No the "libs" did not say that. The "libs" said that the war was started because Americans wanted to take oil. The fact that it all backfired due to security issues does not change the fact that the invasion was because of oil and other strategic issues

 

Wow, nice to have such a neutral and unbiased viewpoint! The Iraqi military would certainly be opposed to this, I suspect this is just Iranian proxies stirring up trouble as they like to do.

 

Bullshit

 

Thee big warmonger here is Saudi Arabia and it is strange that Trump plays their slave and accept their trials to get the US to attack Iran. Saudi Arabia will also allo Israel to pass their air space so that Israeli Air Force can bomb Iran too. This is only totally mad now!

If the war breaks out, it will be a world disaster at least ...
And it is also very likely that a chain reaction will occur.
And what that all means economically for the world, every fool can easily imagine!
I hardly believe that the Americans ... and also not the red MAGA hats ... feel like paying currently about 3.00 USD for a Galone Fuel, but then 13.00 USD.
This is not a horror story or horror fairy tales ... think about the rise of the oil price 1990/1991!

 

agree, Bush over-reacted to 9-11 with two 10+ year wars.... it's cost us financially big time too... we need to stop, I think we will, even republicans are starting to become anti-war as even they know we just can't afford it anymore

 

It was only a matter of time. Obviously the average Iraqi is not happy about the US destroying the country and has little love for the US.

 

I disagree with point 5. While Guerrilla attacks could qualify as terrorism - this is not necessarily the case. The term "terrorism" is abused far too much.

 

Oh, do you mean the puppet government installed by Iran?

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LOL "You" attacked, invaded and destroyed Iraq, a country that is majority Shia whose population then democratically voted in a Shia government and then you accuse Shia Iran of installing a puppet government. Newsflash, your terrorism has caused the resentment of the US by the Iraqi population, not anything that Iran has done. What else did you expect after you violently removed a secular government

 

Oh, I will readily admit that Donald Trump is egotistical and narcissistic (among other character traits that are not exactly admirable, in my view). But I do like most of his policies; and that is what counts most with me.

And I quite doubt that one's being egotistical automatically makes one more susceptible to manipulation that one would be with a normal-sized ego, all other things being equal.

I have no idea; and I do not especially care, either.

In the first place, I simple cannot imagine that the US will soon be going to war with Iran. (The possibility that I might create a perpetual-motion machine is probably greater, in my opinion.)

And in the second place--as I have noted previously--I strongly disfavor our importing even one barrel of oil from overseas. We should be 100 percent self-sufficient, as regarding oil--not even a little bit less.

 

I vote Europe fixes it. They're closer.

 

In 2011 they did the same thing, and US wanted to stay, but the problem was immunity for US troops. You can't have US troops in Iraq against the will of the host country, especially when they can be arrested and charged in Iraqi courts.

The only way would be to force the issue, but by doing that we'd become occupiers and fair game to insurgents, or even Iraqi military, which would mean war.

 

I think that the "resentment" is far more on your part than it is on the part of the Iraqi people.

Apparently, you detest the US.

Why not just admit it?

 

And you thought we were there because Saddam was the CEO is Al Qaeda and he had nukes and other evilness hidden away.

 

You must be so delusional to think that the Iraqi population does not hate the US. I hate your Foreign Policy comprising terrorism, hypocrisy and war mongering

 

BS is when someone responds to a post with "Bullshit"... and nothing to qualify that claim. Get a grip.

 

The Trump administration- with these sanctions - has been messing with the sovereignty of other nations. It has been using the "nuclear option" - threatening the banking systems of various nations by blocking them out of the US controlled international system of payments.

This is the opposite of "walk softly but, carry a big stick" - hence the term "nuclear option". I have often posted on these issues and the negative consequences of this policy. We are receiving blowback on many fronts .. including the rapid movement of the world to develop an alternative to the US Dollar as the world reserve currency.

The list of nations giving the US the middle finger continues to grow - China and Russia and obviously nations like Iran, Syria and Venezuela but also India, Turkey, Oman, Pakistan and others.

We also have numerous members of the EU - including France, Germany and Italy giving the US the bird. Iraq has now joined the club.

It used to be that the US needed only to whisper their desire in the ear of some nation and that nation would rush to comply. Back in the day the US was the only game in town on a relative basis. This is no longer the case.

The competition for global capital and investment opportunity throughout the world is now fierce. There will be winners and losers. Running around with a big stick whacking nations upside the head is not a winning strategy.

 

I'm still trying to get a grip on these Twitter battles

Iranian minister responded to Trump's threats... it's totally on In a startling new development Trump lost his first Tweet battle. (bit like a rap battle isn't it)

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/iran-minister-tweets-response-to-trump-as-middle-east-tension-escalates

 

Actually the Shia's wishes will be honored.

 

They also happen to be a majority... we're still beating the pro-democracy drum remember