Well, it's finally happened, Justice Dept handed down Seditious Conspiracy indictments

The internet has been that for a long time, it's up to you to pick the good stuff.

Go by the stuff, not the tool. Not everything on the internet is bad, no more than not everything in a library is bad.

It's just faster. Nothing has changed since pre-computer days.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seditious_conspiracy

Seditious conspiracy is a conspiracy to commit sedition. It is a federal crime in the United States per 18 U.S.C. § 2384:

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

A seditious conspiracy charge requires only that the conspirators made and began to implement a plot against the United States, regardless of how successful the plot was.

 

Some did, but no illegal activity is supported by democrats, as a general policy.

 

Usually calling Trump too stupid to grasp reality works for me. It does not work when Trump literally watches the impact of his speech on a group of violent terrorists, and he then decides to repost his own speech on Facebook in real time to add fuel to the flames. I think he wanted more insurrectionists to come out and help, either in Washington DC area or across the state capitals. Even Trump on his worst day, can watch a video of his own supporters marching to the capital and attacking and connect the dots to what he said for them to do an hour before. He reposted it on Facebook while these thugs were in the process of hunting down Pence and Pelosi through the halls of the Capital

Too stupid just does not fly.

 

As Trump fades, that balloon (your avatar) will no doubt wind up in the Smithsonian Museum, eh?

 

That's Pelosi, reacting to Trump's policy of permanently separating children from parents on a crime no greater than a misdemeanor, which is roughly equivalent to Goldwater's 'Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice".

Did either advocate violence?

No. they no doubt meant people should shout 'I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more." or something along such lines.

Y'all really need to knock it off with the hysterics.

 

No, as Garland stated in his speech, he's starting with the smaller crimes, and working up the food chain. this a notch up from vandalism, etc., a rather nice jump, I might add, and it's about time.

I'm sure the DOJ realizes getting a conviction on such a charge is an uphill battle, but they knew they had to do it, I mean, battle gear, planning, guns on the ready, that fits the definition of seditious conspiracy to the Tee.

 

Trump gave them legitimacy, he empowered them, and by that measure, he shares responsibility for their acts.

 

All indictments are opinions, it's up to lawyers persuading jurors to make them facts.

 

So, indicting conspirators for a conspiracy sets a bad precedent?

How so?

Lots of people got charged for the Portland riots.

 

If he was planning on using them to overthrow the government, why stop them at all? Why not encourage them to take it further?

 

That’s all fine and dandy but they weren’t. Cant have two sets of laws for two groups of people.

 

what is this nonsense .. posting some definition of Sedition .. ignoring what was said to you - So they found some clubhouse being surveilled in btfk shaboogamo - that someone said something condoning armed insurrection --- but never actually did anything about these thoughts .. and - you wish to blame Trump ... Got it.

 

That won't help. Powell said under oath that she lied about widespread election fraud and they glossed over that to stick to the Big Lie.

Plus, Trump is notorious for folding his arms and saying "I don't recall" when questioned under oath so all the ones in his camp are pull similar stunts.

He is stupid but he planned this. He started grooming his supporters to accept the Big Lie in the Spring of 2020.

Hopefully. Probably the only shot they have is

1. Refusal to call for NG back-up.
2. Calling Senators DURING the riot to stop the certification.
3. Taking hours to ask his supporters to go home.

Trump knew it would go that far. He laid it out for them.

1. Tweeted "Be there. It'll be wild!" (which he never said before or since).
2. He deliberately mislead them into thinking Pence had authority he didn't have.
3. He let Giuliani say the "too close to breaking the law" - "Trial by combat!"


He willingly scheduled that rally on that date for this very purpose.

Plus he left...If he did not expect any violence,

4. Why did he say he would walk with them to the Capitol and then didn't?
5. Why was his only phone call to Senator Lee (not a wellness check, to implore him to stop the process)?
6. Why didn't watching them beat several police officers propel him to take immediate action without Pence or Pelosi having to ask?
7. Why did he tweet "We love you all" (no concerns for Pence's safety, the wounded officers' safety, etc.). Just praise to them.
8. Why did it take hours and reportedly several edits before he would disavow them?

He knew it would go that far. I absolutely believe he wanted them to hurt Pence because Pence and his attorneys told him PRIOR to the 6th that Pence had no authority to stop the certification. If nothing else, that could be construed as conspiracy to cause harm, maybe not murder, but what else would be the purpose of him telling an already agitated crowd a complete lie about Pence's role?

That just proves that he was totally cool with all the chaos. He knew the chambers had been evacuated moments before the building was breached so making those calls couldn't possible cause anyone to follow through on it because they were barricaded in several offices.

And, the question of law is "What would a reasonable person do in this situation?"

I think his lawyers will have a hard time selling "Absolutely nothing".

 

Well of course you would find a way to twist it to mean not what it meant.... She even called it an uprising.

Now pretend Trump said I just don't know why there's not an uprising at the Capitol and maybe there will be..

Say it out loud to yourself just to see how it sounds

 

I thought Loretta Lynch was. You know the one who said charge Hillary as a (MATTER) for destroying 32,000 E-mails she was to turn over to the FBI after meeting Bill Clinton on the tarmac at the airport here in Phoenix. Pleads the 5th over the Iran payments.

 

Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the FBI told who and what the Capital Guards said after talking to the FBI. Neither of us can really know till it all comes out can we?

 

It also fits the definition of proper civil defense to the Tee.

 

Case is closed. I don't think more will come out.
The Chief that was asked to step down claims he asked the Sgt of Arms for NG help but he didn't like that idea and apparently, neither did The Secretary of the Army staff. Who has to activate the guard.
But it does not appear the CP turned down any offers.

 

Because of the flack he and his aids where getting from patriots all over America.

 

That part is way to important not to get the facts strait. We're talking about could the riots have ever started or not if the Guard was there? Did the FBI informed them of the info they had and if they did, why did the CP turn the Guard down if they did? That absolutely has to come out. Way to important not to get to the bottom of it.

 

Don't you think Trump had to know that from the start? Don't you think he or some of his advisors knew if they invaded the Capital and someone got hurt or killed, he would get total blame for it?

 

Benedict Donald has always been reactive, not proactive.

He has always lied to create his own reality, and is proud of being a "counter-puncher".

I know you think he can/has changed his stripes, I've never caught him at it.

 

I doubt it would have occurred. But they weren't and no wrong doing was done with them not being there.
Just bad decision in hindsight.

The CP chief and a couple others lost their job over the breach of the capitol.

 

Baloney...