Athiests do not accept miracles

Surely this all depends on what you mean by 'miracle'. We can all agree that there are remarkable things happening every day, some of them with very positive results. They may be hailed as miracles, and I wouldn't necessarily complain because the current useage of the word is broad enough to encompass events that are not divine in origin.

However, in the context of the OP, it's clear he DOES mean events of divine origin. That's where the problem lies. We can acknowledge apparently inexplicable, remarkable, positive events happening - they happen on a daily basis across the world, to deny it would be folly. Now, if anyone can prove that it was caused by a divine hand, then perhaps you could convert me. Until then, miracles are just what I said: currently inexplicable, remarkable, positive events.

 

I was hoping for "poopy diapers are full".

 

Feel free to look back on page 5 where I addressed your source...not exactly the most modern or reliable source of medical information. If you could provide us with some sort of unbiased source on their medical records it might lend some credence to your proposition. However, I and others are going to continue to scrutinize your sources unless real proof can be shown, and not just medical accounts of spiritual healers from 1976.

 

Why?

Assuming you are referring to the Christian God, what use would an infinitely powerful being have for science? He could simply will anything to be so.

Perhaps you meant to claim that God created science as a tool for us, but that is completely different than "God uses science".

 

God created the world and everything in it. He uses people to fulfill his will. People use science.

 

This is why I rarely post in religion. The threads are loaded with people who think they have all the answers, none of the intellect to understand the questions, and consequently have the wrong answers.

 

Okay then buddy, what is wrong about what I said?

 

It's easy...

A miracle is an unexplained event attributed to a supernatural cause. By its very nature and definition, science cannot deal with the supernatural. To claim that there are "scientifically documented miracles" is a logical contradiction.

There may be events documented that some believe to be miracles, but science has nothing to do with that.

 

Thin skinned? I was not criticizing you. Your answer is correct. I was addressing the general state of ignorence in religion threads. Thats all.

 

Oh I see. Like the OP said, some people just need to be told that they're smart, patted on the back and told to "run along now".

 

Exactamundo!

 

How is she wrong? If I *knew* something to be true why would I reject it?

 

You'd have to read the bible to understand.

 

How does someone not having read the bible factor into their understanding of something completely unrelated - the concept that a rational person would reject something that they KNOW to be fact?

I have read the bible, by the way. Quite some time ago, I must admit, but I did read it.

 

Ergo, when doctors ascribe something as unexplainable, they mean "unexplainable within our current medical knowledge" or simply "I don't know". They do not mean, "God did it".

So the fact that we just don't blindly accept something without proper evidence means that we're making things up? That is an obvious projection.

Taking some event and simply claiming "God did it" is the definition of making things up - because that claim cannot be tested, falsified, or confirmed in any way.

I have yet to see you throw us a curve ball. All I see are soft under-hand lobs that are subsequently hit out of the park.

To claim that there are miracles is the opposite of honesty. I have no problem, however, acknowledging the fact that there are as yet unexplained events.

 

It's not the same. It is promised that you will know the truth before you die in your own way, it doesn't have to make sense to anyone else but you. And you might still reject it because you'd rather live in darkness.

 

Then you have all the answers. God created everything awesome. He graciously hands out miracles to some, and tortures and kills others in tests. There are no questions only gods will.

 

What's not the same as what? You need to be more specific if you want your posts to be understandable.

 

You're comparing knowing God to knowing Earthly things with earthly evidence.... I doubt you want to understand so it's whatever.

 

Oh, sorry, had the conversation moved on to God? Then yes, never mind, I thought we were still discussing alleged miracles.

 

God performs miracles. No God, no miracles. Know God, know miracles.

 

Well, I guess my point is from the other direction: if you know miracles are divine, then you know god is real. I freely acknowledge that there are things that happen that are remarkable and positive and have no currently known explanation, and I don't mind them being called 'miracles'. But what I don't yet know is that they are divine in origin. Can anyone show that link? (If your answer will be something along the lines of 'the proof is there but you refuse to see it' or 'youll know the answer when you see it', then please, save your virtual breath.)

 

I would rather believe in religion!!! I just can't, because the entire notion is entirely absurd!! People invented religion, this is as obvious as it is possible to be for me. Now the existence of God is another question entirely, but the bible is just a collection of myths told by ancient people, and for whatever silly reason, you have decided to believe those myths are true. I choose not to. To pretend a person prefers living in darkness, because they reject a book of iron age fairy tales and myths, is entirely idiotic!!

 

It is you that needs to save your breath. You're fighting a losing battle.

 

Maybe you just didn't understand the bible. Try praying for wisdom and understanding before indulging in the holy scriptures.