Bible verses that Christians ignore

yes he did and i think he works within those laws.. He doesn't have to but for the most part he does. They're miracles, it's just that we don't know how God worked within those laws.

 

I accept that there are literalists...

 

Thats fine.

But, the Bible claims to be the Word of God. And I would ask what you use to determine if a passage is literal or figurative?

Don't be like Margot, who is not a Christian, and interpret the miraculous as figurative and all else as literal.

If God is God, and the Bible is the Word of God, then just because a miraculous event is recorded should not mean its figurative. It just means it is of God who can do miracles.

Quantrill

 

Can God part the Red Sea?

Is the Bible the Word of God?

Quantrill

 

It says Inspired word of God.

You study... read history.. listen to wise scholars.. You read the scripture for meaning on many levels.

 

Why don't you answer the questions addressed to you and not the remarks to another?

Can God part the Red Sea?

Is the Bible the Word of God?

Quantrill

 

Even the ancient Jewish scholars like Rambam (Maimonides) taught that when an event goes against science or is impossible, science trumps and the passage should be read as allegory..

Literalism is rather new.. developing slowly after the Protestant Reformation.

But it is your choice.

 

Yes and Yes

 

Amen to that brother.

Quantrill

 

Jesus miracles were always supposed to be taken literal,don't you think ?

 

I don't think so.. There is NO "Mount" in the sermon on the Mount location.. and the populations were quite small.. So how do you feed 5,000 with a couple of loaves and fishes? I think the "food" Jesus distruted was more spiritual... so that all went away FED and not experiencing hunger or thirst.

Bread often refers to knowledge in the NT.. and clothing..as authority.

 

In response to the "mount" location here:
http://www.israeljerusalem.com/sermon-on-the-mount-location.htm

And you would have to believe in miracles to understand how Jesus came up with that food. Seeing as how you are tying to analyze and "literalize" everything I seem to think there is no point in wasting time trying to describe the wonders of the Bible.

 

How about this one.

 

Yes.. Its a hill not a moutain.. I have been there.

I am certainly not trying to literalize the scripture.. Food and water have repeated symbolic importance in scripture.... throughout scripture.

 

The concept of God is a miraculous invention of wo(men). From a mixed multitude came forth a people of the book and wise in many ways but, of course, part of all the fragilities and difficulties that is the human experience.

We are all the family of man, basically, out of Africa and of many, many tribes thereof.

 

Perhaps.. the power of suggestion by a loving person will often work wonders.

 

If those scholars are so "wise", then why is it that they don't have the wisdom to figure out the Bible in such a way as to convince everyone of its validity or invalidity?

 

Oh I don't think you can ever convince everyone.. but I do think that fundamentalism and literalism pushes many people away from faith.

 

You don't need "wise scholars" if you are a true believer.

Heb 11:1 (NIV) Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

Faith is believing what you can't see, in essence what you can't prove. It's the scientific community that has made us believe that everything can or has to be proven. But why? Aren't you trusting in your chair to hold you up without even thinking about it? I call that faith. You never know if one day it might break or fall through to the next floor, but blindly you sit in it anyway.We execute faith in some of the most minute things everyday and yet when it comes to some of the most basic and simplistic theological ideas, we have to have proof.

 

How do you get to be a true believer?

I don't think God intended for us to park our brains at the door and reject all science and medicine to believe that demons still cause illness.

 

Sure, I do believe that too Margot.

and Margot, I don't want you to think I judge you as "non-Christian," "anti-Semite," "Muslim in disguise," etc..etc..etc... lol ( yes, I have seen the comments)

I believe you have interesting perspective to offer and I think you are an honest lady ..

I believe Jesus had miraculous power,personally but I also have a love for science.. Perhaps I will figure it all out one day.

 

We may never figure it out..

I NEVER sleep on planes.. and yet I was on a transcontinental flight next to a Basque orthopedist head for a symposium in Paris. I was completely exhausted.

We talked a little bit and suddenly he put his hand on my shoulder an said, Sleep now.. I fell asleep within minutes.

 

I honestly can't explain it. It was a calling, sort of a tugging at my heart. Ive never been the same since. And I never left my brain at the door. In fact, I studied Microbiology and Physics in order to learn how things worked, and why. I did not say "I reject science and medicine". I said that they are a huge factor as to why the world has such a "prove it" attitude.

And I won't debate demons causing illnesses because you obviously have never seen or heard of an exorcism. And yes they're real.

 

It is not ok to take on oath, though it happens quite frequently in the OT, and the angles in revelations swear by god.



See they couldn't even finish the book without breaking their own laws![/QUOTE]


There's a great thing many people who criticize the Bible forget to take into account (however those in support do too...):

The Bible, like any literature, has historical context. Yes, it is believed that it was divinely inspired, but it was was written to teach lessons and give guidance in a specific time period to a specific audience. Why do you think there are 4 different accounts of Jesus' life?

We must take the lessons that the Bible teaches and apply them to our lives today, not take them literally.

 

all i pointed out was you did not confront the persons post.

and what you just said is common sense but there is a huge difference between eating a hot dog on the sabbath and the verses the person used...

your either hiding for lack of knowledge and being able to defend your cherished book or being obtusely flakey.