Brexit: Theresa May's deal is voted down

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  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, because Russia is as I wish my county is also, but extreme liberals like you have destroyed it. You're an exemplar of 'the enemy inside' and I repeat that I curse you for it.
     
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    You don't care about the UK. You have always put Russia above the UK
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I care more about my country than you'd think possible; certainly more than you do that's for sure.
     
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    To be honest I do not have a heavy attitude to the EU's response. The fact that the hard Brexiteers expected the EU to let the UK have its cake and eat it, is I think crazy. Of course they were not going to allow that or it would be the end of the EU. Having said that I heard or was reading somewhere the other night that the EU believes it will be a hard Brexit and they are going to make sure it is as hard as it can be so that no one else will try it. They said we would survive but that was put within the context that what with they had in mind for us, others might not. I do not know if that is real or someone making it up because that sounds a bit ott.

    I agree how Greece was treated was dreadful. That is that neo liberalism again. I trust you know that Varoufakis is strong in Diem25. He has always been concerned about the EU disintegrating into separate ethnic nationalist states at war with each other ,which looks like a very possible future in circumstances which are very like the 1930's. Perhaps this is neo liberal's last stand. That could very easily end in wars which would be the last straw for this planet where by the end of the century we are on course for all land south of the Scotland/England border to be uninhabitable if we do not get working on it super quick. That is what we need to be working on now and I believe strongly that we will only work on that from a Social Democratic position. Now, with Global disaster calling it is time to let go of ego and think of humanity. ;)
     
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  5. Jeannette

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    The Jews were a category because they lived in Germany and were a good scape goat for losing WWI. I know leaflets were dropped on the German troops telling the Jews not to fight for Germany and that Britain was going to give them Palestine. Whether it was the British or the Zionists that came up with that brilliance I don't know, but it certainly didn't endear them to the Germans when they lost the war.

    As for ethnically cleansing the Slavs, how could it be an after thought when the whole intent of the war was to grab the rich black soil to feed the Germans. Besides the Slavs were also untermenchens, that's why Russia lost 20 million - mostly civilians. Anyway the war did solve Germany's population problem but not the way they expected.
     
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    Germany's jews fought bravely and were in fact over represented per capita. They were loyal and many earned the highest military honors. Your lack of historical knowledge is dreadful.
     
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    The culture a person was nurtured in will always be part of them, and people do not go against themselves. What you're saying would be the same as saying a Russian who disagreed with the Soviet System did not love Russia, or a German who went against the Third Reich did not love Germany.

    Dreadful is your misreading of what I said. But then again you do that quite often, so it's nothing new.

    I never mentioned anything about the Jews loyalty. I merely stated a fact, and that leaflets were dropped on the army and that it didn't endear them to the Germans after they lost the war. Are you trying to tell me that the leaflets did endear the Jews to the Germans? Your logic stuns me. :roll:
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your interpretation of what Farage said is what worries me. Seems more like a reflection of what you are than Farage.
     
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    What bit don't you understand where Farage's poster campaign poster mirrored Hitler's genocidal video campaign?
     
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    Hitler did not mention the Slavs in Mein Kampf. He could use any excuse later to justify his actions but none of the groups you mentioned were part of his original target. It was the Jews, first and foremost, and we should not try to obscure Hitler's intentions. The Jews are once again under attack my Muslims, and their allies on the left, which makes these historical alterations all the more dangerous.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hold on a second here! Are you making the claim that Nigel Farage is suggesting or condoning genocide?
     
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    Wales has made it clear tonight that there is no way, absolutely no way that it can handle a no deal and that it will if necessary be supporting a call for a second Referendum.

    More news from today, Mogg is suggesting may close Parliament if hard Brexiters do not get what they want.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...b024f0efeaccd2#block-5c487636e4b024f0efeaccd2

    May suggested to Sturgeon talking about a second Scottish Indyref that we ought to be sticking together. Is she mad. Scotland voted Remain and if she thinks the Scottish people will accept a No deal and see the country lose £14 billion a year she has not been born .

    Was watching this earlier. NO Deal Brexit is if anything going to be worse than I feared.
     
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    Farage's poster campaign certainly wanted to arouse the same racism against refugees and asylum seekers that Hitler aroused on Germans against Jews. Do you think that it was a coincidence that his poster had identical queues of people that Hitler's video had?
     
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    So I'm guessing you haven't seen Merkel's recent speech that could totally have had deustchland uber alles playing in the background and not throw off the theme of the speech?
     
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    What's wrong with that?
    Europe belongs to the Europeans, not to Arabian Muslims.
    Europe is not a fenceless yard. At least it shouldn't look like one.
     
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    You missed out the full sentence which is "Farage's poster campaign certainly wanted to arouse the same racism against refugees and asylum seekers that Hitler aroused on Germans against Jews". Clearly you want the same final solution
     
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    Oh, then any desire to retain the sovereignty of one's nation is now 'racism'? Interesting! Would you say the same for Israel? I heard they had some pretty discriminatory laws.
     
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    I think you need professional help.



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    It's you that is an apologist for Hitler:
     
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    I cannot comment on the poster because there is far too much fakery and photo-shopping on the Internet.

    What I do know is that Nigel Farage has never said anything in his lengthy political career which can ever be interpreted as being in support of either genocide or racism. If you actually want to make a case for your claims then let's hear his own words from a reliable source to support them. Certainly we should all be aware by now of the craziness on the Internet and the need for some genuine supportive evidence.
     
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    That seems to be your hysterical and unrealistic interpretation. What did Farage actually say?
     
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    I lready told you it was about numbers, and nothing to do with race nor ethnicities.
     
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    Don't hold your breath for an answer to that question because there isn't one that stands up to scrutiny. Liberals have latched onto the poster itself to mischievously misconstrue the truth about the danger of numbers threatening to overwhelm our public services and to give it racist overtones.
     
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    ^^^^ Aka, fear mongering.
     
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    I did not say that he said anything racist. He didn't have to. I wrote "wanted to arouse the same racism against refugees and asylum seekers that Hitler aroused on Germans against Jews"

    Which part of the poster do you think may be fake or photo shopped?

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news...ares-ukip-migrants-poster-to-nazi-propaganda/
     
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