Do you suspect that natural cures for cancer are suppressed?

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Do you suspect that large companies suppress truth about natural remedies?

  1. No, that is ridiculous and absurd!!!!!!!!!

    71 vote(s)
    55.5%
  2. Sure....we all have an evil streak in us!

    23 vote(s)
    18.0%
  3. Yes, but misleading information on supposedly natural remedies is even worse!

    36 vote(s)
    28.1%
  4. My doctor would never do that!!!!

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE - unsupported anecdotal evidence at that
     
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    Taxcutter New Member

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    Laetrile doesn't work. Saw it used in the 70s. Did nothing.
     
  3. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    It's been said before. In the olden days, people noticed that some plants or seeds helped them get better when they fell ill. It was rudimentary, but better than nothing. Eventually "natural medicine" evolved, where some widely known remedies mixed up with individual potions and folk cures. Science evolved, and looked at and analysed all these natural medicines and discovered which ones were effective, and which were not. They took the effective ones, and called them "Medicine". The rest were divided up into "Soup" and "Pot Pourri".

    Two things one should note about the olden days' Life expectancy was about 45 and your chances survival was not infrequently directly proportional to your distance from what was then considered to be the best Medical care.
     
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    darckriver New Member Past Donor

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    There's usually a book lurking somewhere behind these kinds of claims.
     
  5. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How about this:

    http://www.msm-info.com
    But MSM is natural and cheap (only $9 at Walmart) and you don't hear much about patients being made aware that this stuff might significantly help them with their condition???!!!
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In this film you can view documentation of how one promising cure for cancer was deliberately sabotaged to make it look like it was not working.......if I remember correctly this is around the one hour mark in the film.....but the whole film is really worth watching!!!!!!

    Remember Mr. Al Gore's comment from "An Inconvenient Truth" about how it is amazing what intelligent people can fail to understand.........if their salary depends on their not understanding the subject!!!!!!!!! The significant portion begins around 1:18 minutes...in the film.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zBBfN5mQa8
    "The documentary is about a MD curing cancer and being persecuted by the FDA.I am not a MD and cant tell you what to do to your body.I can tell you that if you are diagnosed with cancer,research the prescribed treatment before beginning it.Don't let anybody be in control of your body but YOU.Peace and Love"
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You would rather hope that more potential readers would be interested in a topic like this than merely the newest Harlequin Romance or Vampire thriller!!!!!
     
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    And Al Gore would know since his livelihood these days relies largely on the sale of green indulgences.
     
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    darckriver New Member Past Donor

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    No. I am just skeptical of nearly everything these days. And I mean EVERYTHING! There is so much BS being presented as fact everywhere we turn that I've just become too weary of it all to even bothering checking it out anymore.
     
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    They do provide cures for cancer now, and they are very profitable. Not only that but the pharmaceutical industry also markets drugs that prevent cancer such as the vaccine for HPV. So your conspiracy theory is hogwash.

    It's not about Big Pharma vs Nature. Many drugs started out as a natural cure. Aspirin is a great example. If a natural cure existed that worked pharmaceutical companies wouldn't suppress it - they'd test it, get approval and market it.
     
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    Not really. I think it's actually rather forward thinking. I would argue that your attitude is more cynical and conditioned by society.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good point Unifier. My wife is from Ecuador so I've heard some things about the area of Vilcabamba in the province of Loja that not everybody has heard. Yes, there were a few people who exaggerated their age somewhat to get extra attention and hopefully money.......and some scientists who very probably had an agenda to suppress the truth about the potential of trace minerals jumped on that detail and for a while were able to convince the majority of experts that the longevity there was mostly a hoax.

    That was not an intellectually honest conclusion and the newer Wikipedia articles on Vilcabamba do a good job of putting forth the trace mineral theory??!!

    In one of the debates I had on Facebook over the past few years I wrote back and forth with somebody who claimed to be a researcher who was working on a delivery method of getting trace minerals into the body quickly! If trace minerals themselves can't be patented....perhaps a certain combination of trace minerals combined with a delivery method can be!??!!

    If the method works too well though.....only God and a legion of angels will be able to get the device into the hands of health professionals. It was actually probably back in 2008 or 2009 when I had that discussion....and the device doesn't seem to be out yet!!!!!!!
     
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    Which is why there is a fair bit of research going on into Ayurvedic medicine as well as many of the traditional chinese remedies

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    Which is why there is a fair bit of research going on into Ayurvedic medicine as well as many of the traditional chinese remedies

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    Which is why there is a fair bit of research going on into Ayurvedic medicine as well as many of the traditional chinese remedies
     
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    Please take it from me - medical science knows a hell of a lot more about this subject than these idiots touting speculation and guesswork do

    Or do you think all diseases are caused by DHMO?
     
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    I am seriously impressed by your question Bowerbird!

    I am of the belief that water......somehow seems able to absorb a type of energy.....that in at least some cases can aid in helping humans become more healthy???!!!


    http://www.masaru-emoto.net/english/water-crystal.html
    ....Water and Prayer
    .....Water and Words


    http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6301&news_iv_ctrl=1082

    ......
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Jenny_(cymatics)

    Revelation 22:1 ¶ "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations."

    It seems that some scientists are getting close to understand at least a little about how this can potentially work!!!
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Daggdag..................Dude......it appears that YOU WERE BASICALLY RIGHT!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.naturalnews.com/032998_Burzynski_cancer_cures.html

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    oy!!

    In that case how about just taking medication called "placebo"

    We know it works - it has been used in drug trial after drug trial. There is considerable scientific evidence that it does have a positive effect in making people feel better and has absolutely no side effects
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On the other hand an ordinary citizen.....who actually reads "The Miracle of MSM" which was written by three physicians.....will almost immediately understand that one product and what it can do as well as the possible negative side effects.....better than a physician who is so busy meeting with patients and reading up on the newest drugs that have just been put on the market......that they simply have no free time to read that book!!!!!!


    http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-MSM-Natural-Solution-Pain/dp/0425172651
    The Miracle of MSM:The Natural Solution for Pain [Paperback]
    Stanley W. Jacob MD (Author)
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On the other hand Isaiah was inspired to write that God managed to lead a Gentile.....who did not know about God like the Prophet Daniel did....but this guy was led by the right hand do accomplish all the major things that God wanted historical King Cyrus to do!!!!!

    If we are going into an era when the Ruach ha Kodesh/Holy Spirit is poured out......it is logical that the people who are least led by the Holy Spirit.....can go up to a higher level of consciousness even than the historical King Cyrus!!!

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=45&v=1&t=KJV#top
    Isa 45:1 ¶ Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut; I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call [thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel. For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
    ....
     
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    Sorry old thing but the only reason why you believe this !#!@# is that you have no conceptual construct which would allow you to critically view the information. Somewhat like someone who has never seen a circuit board before attempting to fix a computer using a technical manual for a calculator

    I have studied medicine for the last 30 years - I am not a doctor but I DO have the cognitive construct to allow me to understand what is required

    but even a SIMPLE google search shows

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylsulfonylmethane

    But let us go further and look at google scholar
    http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&q=Methylsulfonylmethane&btnG=&as_sdt=1,5&as_sdtp=

    Suggest you do some reading and get back to me
     
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    I don't see why you would argue with the guy. There are statistical correlations of tumor growth suppression from eating onions, mushrooms and turmeric. There are known antibacterial properties of garlic, honey and basil. I wouldn't say that "apricots" are some type of magic bullet, however, some research in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, Lancet, and the New England Journal of Medicine should be able to separate fact from fiction and define whether apricots of worthy of consumption. I think that people in the "western worlds" are too afraid of the word "cancer". They can't even begin to comprehend the old slang that "you are what you eat". They'll shovel down 10 pounds of processed food and take a platinum-containing cancer drug and think that they are doing the "right thing" based upon the advice of their doctor who also didn't read any of those academic articles.
     
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    Laetrile was such a flop back in the 70s. It gave some dead people walking some false hope - - nothing more.
     

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