Fox: It's Extraordinary That Charleston Church Shooting Is Being Called a Hate Crime

Which makes him a total extremist nutbag, so when people claim FOX news and/or conservatives have much in common, its sort of well....intellectually dishonest.

 

He is a total right wing extremist nut bag. Fox is not as far to the right as he is. That said, Ann Coulter wrote a whole article endorsing the white supremacist organization that Dylann cites as being responsible for convincing him to do this, and she's a regular character on Fox News. So they aren't really all that far away from where Dylann is on the spectrum either. Like if you take his manifesto, Coulter would agree with 95% of it, maybe O'Reilly would agree with 75% of it, the average conservative poster here would agree with say 80% of it, but the average conservative in America would only agree with say 40% of it. Something like that anyways.

 

Fourthly cons think they know it all. Fifthly cons hate anyone NOT a con.

 

Motive changes nothing realistically unless adding hate rhetoric to the situation is your goal.

Murder is the killing of another person without justification or valid excuse, and it is especially the unlawful killing of another person with malice aforethought.

That is the definition, and it doesn't matter if you murder your wife over a life insurance policy or murder someone because of the color of their skin, you have committed 1st degree murder, and that is the most serious degree of murder, period. This is punishable by the death penalty, or life in prison. The end result is the death of the perpetrator. Whether you or the people who politicize these tragic events believe the motive to be more serious or heinous is irrelevant to the end result/closure.

As much as you want to categorize degrees of 1st degree murder by claiming one is more serious than the other, it is simply an exercise in pushing the hatred envelope. The families and friends of murder victims, don't sit around after the fact and think, well it is a good thing Mary's husband killed her for the insurance policy and not because she was Puerto Rican otherwise that would have been a real tragedy. Both crimes are worthy of the same ultimate sentence. Irrationally attempting to escalate more hatred from the other involved party is not going to change anything at this point.

Let the families and friends grieve and prosecute this POS to the fullest extent the law will allow and be done with him, once and for all.

 

Has it been proven that the "manifesto" website was Roof's?

As of early this morning they hadn't, has that changed in the later morning hours?

 

Who's is it if not him? Someone else forcing him to pose for those photos too? lol

 

That is what the FBI is working to find out.

I'm not sure whats funny about wanting facts.
Has the FBI confirmed that Roof did indeed create said "manifesto" website?

You do realize anyone can make a website don't you?
Some websites even have pictures on them too.

 

lol Okay. Good day to you.

 

No, they don't want to know the truth. Pretending that they know is all they are looking for. I doubt this was his manifesto. He would have made sure people were aware of it.

 

The guy who did the targeting is a Lutheran, doncha know? More importantly, the guy who did the targeting was a confederacy freak. When did the Confederates start targeting Baptists?

 

Yet, you think mediamatters is a legitimate source for information...... lol

 

I do? That's news to me.

 

Thats where the article in the OP, came from and youre the number one, follow up poster........

 

Right....and my happening to be the first reply means I like Media Matters? Should I have waited so as not to give the wrong impression?

 

I just wondered why youd justify media matters as some kinda legitimate news source....

 

I didn't!

I never even mentioned them.

Are you sure you're not confusing me with someone else?

 

The one used in the crime, yes.

 

Why don't you look up the legal definition of what constitutes a hate crime instead of passing off your personal supposition and conjecture as some sort of fact?

 

You make a LOT of assumptions, supposition and pure conjecture...yet the FACTS belie your beliefs. Bottom line: because of meth cookers, I am LIMITED to how much Claritan I can buy per month (the pseudo-ephedrine can be diffused to make crystal methanphetamine. This is done via presentation of my driver's license and monitoring it at a pharmacy that checks it through a data base. So the same should be done for guns to prevent the "legal" friends of criminals going around and buying numerous weapons. No outrageous "harassment" of legal gun owners.

 

Obviously, you didn't even bother to read the content of the link....because had you done so you would have seen the Stats were provided by the ATF, the DOJ and the Office of the Inspector General. They categorically disprove all your assertions. But anyone can say anything if they just rely on opinion, supposition and conjecture, as you do here. So unless you're actually going to discuss CONTENT & FACTS, I'd say we're done here.

 

Private businesses purchasing weapons, "outposts" indicating a military or colonial station.....a bit different than the average farmer or village blacksmith buying a canon, now isn't it?
Bottom line: gunners and the NRA punditry are having near hysterics because this is what, the 14 incident of mass shootings by a joker with easy access to a weapon that they shouldn't have had shows the absurd lengths they will go to defend an ideology that is proving fatal to a lot of folk.

 

What is up to now, 1,000 shootings in Chicago for the year so far? Get a grip.

 

Do what I do, just take the time and effort to copy and paste, because it's a pain in the ass to me to flip back and forth and modify my responses at the bottom of a post...especially if the individual is long winded or repeating a LONG source of information from a website. In any event, the little arrows make it all the better for reference.

 

The debate has detoured to whether the cops should have initially pursued this as a hate crime. As with any crime, the evidence dictates the investigation....no one said he was guilty and sentenced before a trial. I agree with your second point.

 

Baloney! A state that STILL flies the Confederate flag, a historic black church that has been the recipient of racists violence in it's history cannot be ignored. A culture or racism exists, whether you acknowledge it or not.