French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

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  1. Jazz

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    There were no gassings at Auschwitz or any other camps!

    If you encounter a person who believes in the existence of the "gas chambers," ask him how, in his opinion, the thousands of cadavers were removed to make room for the next batch.

    Dr. Broszat admitted on 19 August 1960 that gassing had never existed in the whole of the Old Reich.

    Here, inform and educate yourself first before you admonish and lecture the innocent Clausewitz:
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p319_Faurisson.html
     
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    Can you give me some idea of why you think the Third Reich was justified in forcibly deporting the Jews at all?
     
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    Maybe later some other time, I don't want to risk another moderator warning today.
     
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    What did Dr Brozat have to say about gassing outside the 'Old Reich'? Did he have an opinion on that? Did he have anything to say about the gassing of Jews in Auschwitz-Birkenau, in Sobibor on the Bug, in Treblinka, Chelmno and Belzec? If he did, why not post that information too?

    I mean, cherry picking information in such a way that you mention Dr Brozat's views on gassing in the 'Old Reich' but refuse to mention opinions he may have expressed on gassings elsewhere looks like a deliberate act of deception, especially in a post claiming there were no gassings at all.
     
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    Nothing pretend about it. You lack basic skills of reading comprehension. You make claims that are so easily debunked even you can't defend them and then use those false claims as the basis for your views. You refuse to believe the testimonies of thousands of people, you refuse to believe a vast amount of documentation and physical evidence. You clearly have deep seated racial, ethnic & religious prejudices that shape your worldview.

    It is almost impossible to NOT be intellectually superior to that.
     
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    There is testimony from surviving sonderkommando on the existence of gas chambers. More than one. Do a quick google search and you will find it.
     
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    Which has precisely what to do with laws that exist in France, Germany & Austria but NOT the US?

    You really need to just stop evading and admit that you were wrong. You are just humiliating yourself.
     
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    From the website I randomly quoted this was about the only mention of Brozac.
    Dear bigfella, why don't you researched that yourself? I only quoted from the link I offer above. Should have left it away, as it doesn't matter much, everybody knows there were no gassings on German soil, except myself! There are enough other researchers and historians who have commented on the no gassing outside of Germany's borders, for instance in Poland.
     
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    There was plenty of gasing on German soil if you include the well documented T4 program which killed thousands of crippled/disabled/mentally sick people. They had to stop that one due to the popular backlash from both the church and citizens who didn't want the government killing their parents or sibblings. They were ok for the jews and roma as they weren't considered humans.
     
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    Although in Poland now, Auschwitz was in Germany in WW2.
     
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    The Holocaust is real, Jesus and Allah are not.
     
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    God/Jesus of course bears some of the blame for the Holocaust - The Bible, saying that Jews will get brutally/barbarically treated - torture forever in a "lake of fire", makes Jews seem less than human. No human deserves to be tortured for eternity, just for being, say, Jewish. God/Jesus is "all-knowing", so the decision to savagely torture them (just for being Jews) is fully justified, fully approved....or else Christians would have the common decency to remove those parts from their Bibles that they give their impressionable young children. Some day they will rise to the ethical level of Modern Secular Humanists - I pray* for that day.


    *Ok, obviously prayer doesn't work or else God/Jesus would have, after trillions of prayers to end cancer forever, got off his lazy butt and given us said cure. (Or maybe God/Jesus is just a complete DICK, I don't know which.)
     
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    Unfortunately we are going to have to continually defend the truth, day in and day out - not just lock people up who disagree with the truth. Make Holocaust deniers look like fools, but don't lock them up.
     
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    Yes, we forget that like God/Jesus, Hitler hated GAYS as well (gays were killed, just for being gay.) So like God/Jesus, Hitler hated Jews AND gays - but Hitler was far less bad to those groups as he just shortened their life in half (on average), whereas God/Jesus sadistically set up a barbaric system where those two groups get barbarically TORTURED, BRUTALLY, SAVAGELY, FOREVER. Hitler is morally a step UP from God/Jesus, arguably in that case.

    Throwing Jews into a "lake of fire" is NOT more ethical than throwing them into ovens, so God/Jesus is therefore NOT more ethical than Adolf.
     
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    Your family are victims of authoritarianism. I'm sorry.
     
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    Muslims are so anti-Semitic because the Islamic texts/Mohammad themselves hated Jews so terribly much. It's not just a few isolated Muslims who misinterpret their religions "peaceful" teachings, but rather fully embedded in the Islamic texts themselves.

    https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islamic_Antisemitism
     
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    You brought up Martin Brozat's views on gassing, now it is suddenly up to me to provide further information on what he thought? had your holocaust denier website printed the full quote you would know that he listed camps that did gas Jews in the same sentence. Brozat was firmly of the view that Jews were gassed in camps in Poland, as are all reputable and informed historians. if his views on gassings in the 'Old Reich' were trustworthy enough for you to post here then his views on gassings in Poland are also worth posting - and they directly contradict your lies. No surprises there.
     
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    I personally like all the parts about non-Jews in the Talmud myself.
     
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    How about Moses? Did he turn sticks into snakes and part the Red Sea?
     
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    I'm pretty sure Moses was Akhenaten, the ancient Egyptians didn't like him either.
     
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    I always thought that the God of the Old Testiment was a real dick, however Jesus seemed like a pretty good guy. Less judgmental and non violent for the most part. These two entities do not seem even remotely related.
     
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    Not to side track this thread on subject of the Holocaust but the reason it's called the new testament versus the old testament [Torah] is because the new testament was a continued revision of the old testament. Jesus in the new testament didn't distinguish his religion or beliefs as being any different at all compared to the Pharisee Jews but instead only a reformist of them.

    Christianity is merely reformed Judaism but the old Torah Pharisee Jews of course viewed Jesus as a heretic and never accepted his reformist positions on Judaism. The early Christians of the Roman empire practiced circumcision and other customs like modern Jews still do to this day. It was only until much later this reformed new testament Judaism that broke off away from old testament [Torah] Judaism started calling itself Christianity.
     
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    Yes, and YOU do a quick google search and show us evidence of actual gassings, please. If you are so convinced Jews were gassed to death in gas chambers in camps outside of the German Reich, it should be easy for you to provide us with the corresponding evidence.
    I'm waiting!
     
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    I think this is why Synder believes our understanding of the holocaust and the entire inhumanity of WW2 as well as prior to WW2 in is not properly understood and that by putting all emphasis on Auschwitz which was a work camp as well as a death camp, we lose the bigger picture. Most killing including of Jews took place in Eastern Europe and Russia not in Germany, Auschwitz. One of the reasons this has not been properly studied he says is because the Soviets would not allow the systematic killing of Jews, the holocaust to be given any particular attention - they were just citizens not Jews.

    I can remember a few years ago watching a documentary on the killing in camps in Croatia during WW2. Himler went there and was astonished/horrified that they were also killing children in whatever the barbaric ways were they were killing them. Although I have since read that the main people they killed were Serbs, they did also kill Jews and Roma. I remember at the time thinking OMG we have never been told about this going on in Eastern Europe. All we ever hear about is the killing organised by Germany. I did also wonder if it was this experience that gave Himler the idea that he need not bother about his conscience when indulging in barbarity towards children. This was the first indication I got that we did not know a lot of what happened in Eastern Europe during WW2 and that without that we did not have the full picture of death camps.

    cont'd https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2009/07/16/holocaust-the-ignored-reality/

    He also goes into the Soviet mass killing of civilians.
     
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    Well, to use the phrase from Jeannette... I have news for you: I used to live in Germany and personally knew of two severely retarded individuals who were NOT gassed, but lived happily with their families.
    I also knew a Homosexual guy who was not gassed. He was picked up by the police near the men's washrooms by the train station for loitering and put into jail for three weeks.
    Right after the war all the Roma (Zigeuner) were back with their wagons and fortune-telling women.
    Let us see your proof of gassing these people.
     

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