Is Freedom of Speech more important that human life

I'm not going to bother sourcing this quote because if you do not recognize this speech you do not belong here.

To the question posed in the original post, freedom of speech is more important than human life. There is a price we will not pay. We do not believe that life is so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased by the chains of slavery. There is a point beyond which they must not advance. Our liberties is that line. If there is to be blood shed, so be it.

 

So you want to punish people for vocalizing what they believe? What did the film-maker say or do that was wrong?

 

Umm, no it wasn't. Where did you get that idea?

 

Where did the rioters get the idea that it was okay to kill people for insulting Muhammad? If they believe that the Koran gives them this right then, using the rationale laid out in the OP, shouldn't the Koran be banned as well?

 

How about we all just agree that all religions are nothing more than ancient myths and start getting along with one another?

 

Consider an alternative scenario: Is the right to abortion more important the lives of doctors performing the procedure? When those clinics are bombed, who do you blame? The feminists who defend women's rights or the bomber and his sympathizers?

 

And you have evidence they're all just ancient myths or is this just a religious belief of yours that you want everyone to conform to? Should we use the techniques of benevolent atheists such as Mao or Stalin to enforce your religious beliefs?

 

I have read through your comments on this thread, and you clearly are obstinately sticking with the notion that we should remove freedom in order to stop irresponsible people from killing other people.

First: the killing in the ME has nothing to do with this movie. Most there haven't even seen it. It is - like so much in the Islam world - an excuse to be violent.

Second: I am deeply offended by your posts. I will go on a killing spree if you do not ban yourself immediately. You should do so immediately, as your freedom to post here is clearly not as important as preventing someone from dying.

 

I reiterate: you must stop posting immediately, and ban yourself from this forum forever. You must do this because I am about to get violent, as your posts deeply offend me.

Catching my drift, Ronald0?

 

You're outraged at his posts too? I am a complete bigot when it comes to retards. When they run their mouth I just HAVE to get violent.

And he's a Muslim too, which offends me because the very nature of being a Muslim means you are alleging blasphemous notions about my God, which is punishable by death, in my mind.... Everyone !! Cater to my demands or I'll start killing people like a bat(*)(*)(*)(*) crazy, retarded muslim! No you say? What is this world coming to when folks just let people get killed like this......



Seriously people, crusade.... On radical Islam.... Pronto!!!

 

In America every person has the right to offend anyone. Muslims are going to have to accept it and like it. Yes the video is in poor taste and is video made for the sole purpose of offending Muslims, but that is completely legal and perfectly accept according to our laws. What you cannot do is openly advocate violence. Such as telling people they must go out and murder this person because of such and such issues, that is the limits on our free speech. Other than that we can say what we please.

And the video is staying up as it should. Too bad if you don't like it. Don't watch it.

 

Yes! Clearly intended to incite violence. Muslims are commanded to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smithe the necks" of the unbelievers until "religion is only for allah".

Did you hear the Pakistani government minister offering $100,000 for the death of the film maker? CLEARLY intended to incite violence.

 

The film is nothing but a pretext. Every legitimate article out there blames local radicals and the politicians that pander to them. They condemn the attacks in English and then turn around in Arabic and praise the attackers. The fact that so many people believe this video was the cause of all this mayhem and violence shows the true ignorance of the average people.

The fact is that next to Israel, America is the favored whipping boy of every demagogue, populist and radical islamist in the Middle East. We are the subject of a vast array of conspiracy theories.. so much so that Al Qaeda puts out propaganda chastisting the Arab world for believing and disseminating 9/11 truth because it takes credit away from them for punishing us for falsely perceived wrongs that were never committed.

Anyone who thinks that radical islamists won't one day get their hands on a nuke and actually use it are deluding themselves. They'll use some video like this as a pretext to setting off a nuke in NYC.

 

What bothers me is that rather than go after the clown that wrote it most have gone after innocent people that had nothing to do with the movie. If this is how a Religion of peace acts plese tell me what a religion of hatred and violence looks like?

 

Christianity apparently.

 

Long before the subject movie was produced the internet was loaded with articles exposing Mohammed for what he was.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&biw=800&bih=485&sclient=psy-ab&q=mohammed+was+a+peadophile&oq=mohammed+was+a+pe&gs_l=serp.1.2.0j0i10i30j0i30l2.0.0.1.4603.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.les%3Bcesh..0.0...1.VymIxhH1h_c&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=99d6414d69e5a888

Likewise there are loads of items saying that Mohammed was a Jew.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=mohammed+was+a+jew&oq=mohammed+was+a&gs_l=serp.1.2.0l4.0.0.3.2181.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.les%3Bcesh..0.0...1.OQaxm9YtMks&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=99d6414d69e5a888&biw=800&bih=485

There are also items telling us that the Vatican created Islam.
There are articles that say Mohammed's name was Lothar Schmallfuss, a Jew who was a Catholic Cardinal.

Why weren't there continuous rioting over the years for all this?

 

I'm trying to recall if the Satanic Verses resulted in random riots when the Iranian clerical fatwa was issued. Obviously some of this material will be exploited by radicals for nefarious purposes (see the Danish cartoon controversy) but it doesn't usually take a video, a published cartoon or book to inflame these folks. 9-11 wasn't a reaction to such a thing. Neither was the Kobar Towers, the Madrid bombings or the attacks in Bali. Compared to the ravings of radical muslims all over the Middle East, this so called movie was mild. This was an interesting exchange that took place 6 years ago when the riots over the Danish newspaper cartoons were taking place:

[video=youtube;EIvVmudMaSo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIvVmudMaSo[/video]

 

We need to stand up to those who spread the fear of retribution, the cowards, and say we have the right to free speech.

"Freedom of speech is at stake here, don't you all see? If anything, we should all make cartoons of Muhammad, and show the terrorists and the extremists that we are all united in the belief that every person has a right to say what they want! Look, people, it's been real easy for us to stand up for free speech lately. For the past few decades we haven't had to risk anything to defend it. But those times are going to come! And one of those times is right now. And if we aren't willing to risk what we have, then we just believe in free speech, but we don't defend it!"
- Chris, South Park

 

I'm not surprised by your reaction. You must feel threatened to be told that everything you were taught may be make believe. It is a difficult thing to acknowledge.

To answer your question, no. I would not support enforcement of my beliefs. My belief is that you can believe whatever you want, just don't cause harm to others in the process.

 

Rinaldo ran away?????

 

This may be an international forum but our beliefs are pretty (*)(*)(*)(*)ing united on this issue. Most of the righties, lefties, and moderates were telling him to take his sharia (which is what this thread is about, from the muslim OP, about establishing the sharia law in regards to speech) and shove it.

 

According to your religious viewpoint which you take on faith without evidence. I know it's impossible to prove a negative, but yet you have no problem proclaiming it as if it was somehow established fact.

And atheists have zero moral high ground on this issue based upon their historical track record.