Islam v The United States: How To Diffuse a Political Time-Bomb

I see you can't cite an attack. Well tried at the blustering but an epic fail.

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Another attempt at deflection.
Cite attacks as I requested or admit defeat.

 

I can guarantee you that was some redaction added to the Koran after Muhammed from some despot and his in-pocket Imam who wanted merely to rally the troops and promise them eternal paradise for their loyalty to his quest to steal bananas and females from the neighboring troop..

 

Ill stick with the one already cited. Directly contradicts your assertion.

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Wow. What do you base this guarantee upon? You are a little too much impressed with yourself. Your random thoughts become your reality.

 

They aren't random thoughts. Scribes, holy men and political leaders for many centuries were the only ones who knew how to read. You show me a man in power without an agenda and a willingness to do anything to realize his zeal for conquest...including rewriting history.

It isn't assigning importance to my "random thoughts". It's following the process of logical deduction. If the man in power and at his right arm the holy overseer of [important religious tome "x"] are the only ones who can read and write, and who have the power to put their scribe peons to death if they do not blindly follow orders, you can bet your hat they rewrote anything that was perceived to be in the way of any given agenda they were working at the time.

I suspect this is how the Koran came to be in its present form. It most certainly is how the Bible came to be as it is today: rewriting Jesus's beloved Magdalene to becoming "John", the only anonymous [while being the most important] disciple of the bunch. The rest came with a long pedigree. And only three women were at the crucifixion. One of them was the beloved disciple. Do the math. That and a hundred other revisions that suited the despot of the day's whims..

 

No, just the specific group of idolaters who broke a treaty with the Muslims and attacked them first:

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What you say you "can guarantee" has been refuted 1000s of times by scholars all over the world for hundreds of years. They say in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has been changed.

 

FALSE! It is YOU who does not believe in religious freedom, as proven by your support for the # 1 enemy of religious freedom in the world >> Islam.

The # 1 way to support religious freedom is to oppose (Ban) Islam.

 

You cited a post WWII attack? I must check your posts - that or you're a liar.
All you've managed to do was mention pirate activity - not war.
As I said, the desperate posters with no real argument use that one because there's nothing else to go at.

 

Impossible. At least one scribe, somewhere, through the hundreds of transcriptions...even if just by human error...has changed a word. Is there an original Koran written by Muhammed himself? Or is the Koran a collection of "recollections"? You know how that goes..

 

banning a religion is not religious freedom... people should be free to believe whatever they want

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Exactly. Which is why Islam (which is NOT A RELIGION) must be banned, because it bans religions.

 

Islam is as much a religion as any other...

 

Or else have the political aspects of Islam banned in America, permanently and with no possibility of change.

 

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Or we could simply surrender, make all of the non-Muslim Americans begin paying special Dhimimi Taxes to the American Muslim Caliphate, have their legal right reduced to the appropriate status for non-muslims, and force all American Women into Burkas...

We begin beheading anyone who insulted Mohammad and stoning to death women who didn't show proper deference. We could even make it FUN!

Imagine a Bob Barker hosted Game Show, similar to the format of "The Price is Right" but the subject matter would surround stoning to death non-Muslim Immoral Dissidents.

We could call it, "Islam is ALWAYS Right".

Just a thought.

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we already do, it's called keeping religion separate from government

 

But, America is a member of the United Nations (of tyrants too) and in every major war the other side has threatened others (see Vietnam, does the South even exist anymore?), but let’s stick with our response to countries Islam would not attack and why, and let’s ignore the use of terror (instead of Geneva Conventions warfare) by the cowardly ambushing creed:

Iraq and Iran War:


Air France is so nice.

Iraq and Kuwait (to pay for that):

“H32. Requires Iraq to inform the Security Council that it will not commit or support any act of international terrorism or allow any organization directed towards commission of such acts to operate within its territory and to condemn unequivocally and renounce all acts, methods and practices of terrorism;
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33. Declares that, upon official notification by Iraq to the Secretary-General and to the Security Council of its acceptance of the provisions above, a formal cease-fire is effective between Iraq and Kuwait and the Member States cooperating with Kuwait in accordance with resolution 678 (1990);” http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0687.htm

Absolute irrefutable proof you have lied; Iraq and us:

August, 1996: "More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (sanction) imposed on Iraq and its nation. The children of Iraq are our children. You, the USA, together with the Saudi regime are responsible for the shedding of the blood of these innocent children. Due to all of that, what ever treaty you have with our country is now null and void.
The treaty of Hudaybiyyah was cancelled by the messenger of Allah (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) once Quraysh had assisted Bani Bakr against Khusa'ah, the allies of the prophet (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him). The prophet (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) fought Quraysh and concurred Makka. He (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) considered the treaty with Bani Qainuqa' void because one of their Jews publicly hurt one Muslim woman, one single woman, at the market." (Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places.)

March 1997: "Though Bin Ladin had promised Taliban leaders that he would be circumspect, he broke this promise almost immediately, giving an inflammatory interview to CNN in March 1997. The Taliban leader Mullah Omar promptly 'invited' Bin Ladin to move to Kandahar, ostensibly in the interests of Bin Ladin's own security but more likely to situate him where he might be easier to control.73
There is also evidence that around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to have received a significant response. According to one report, Saddam Hussein's efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Ladin.74" (The 9/11 commission report, page 65-66)

July 1997, South Movement, "the path of Jihad and proper action": "Those who desire to face up to the Zionists conspiracies, intransigence, and aggressiveness must proceed towards the advance centers of capabilities in the greater Arab homeland and to the centers of the knowledge, honesty and sincerity with whole heartiness if the aim was to implement a serious plan to save others from their dilemma or to rely on those capable centers; well-known for their positions regarding the enemy, to gain precise concessions from it with justified maneuvers even if such centers including Baghdad not in agreement with those concerned, over the objectives and aims of the required maneuvers." (On the 29th anniversary of Iraq's national day (the 17th of July 1968 revolution). President Saddam Hussein made an important comprehensive and nation wide address) http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/countries/Iraq/speech.htm

The Reasons of Islam:

“Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: ‘But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)’; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.”
One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq!

Sunday, 30 September, 2001, 16:54 GMT 17:54 UK:
"'We do not accept the presence in our country of a single soldier at war with Muslims or Arabs,' Prince Sultan said in comments published on Saudi Arabia's official Okaz newspaper on Sunday." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1571689.stm

"Saudi Arabia said what?
'You can’t kill an Arab or Moslem;'
No matter the murderous plot,
We respect them?" (Sun 30 Sep 2001 09:03:18 PM EDT)

"Muslims would not be killing other Muslims. They would not be using Arabia to launch strikes on Muslim countries if they were actually Muslims.

Read the Quran
it's all explained in there" (Abu Sina) http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...-backed-wahabi-fanatics-6.html#post1061567723

So now that we have irrefutably established that you have lied do you wish to go for the title of “liar,” or retract that?

 

Oh, and let’s deal with that Nations as Muslims shall we?

So did any Muslim attack us?

If so you will now immediately give us the coordinates of the capital city of that Islam so that we may wage war against it according to the Geneva Conventions, and be sure to define the borders clearly so we are not limited in our holy war.

 

I didn't say Muslims were a country as such - you're arguing on what I didn't say.

 

Actually, Muhammad was illiterate. So he wrote nothing. The Koran was compiled by the recitation of his followers. And just for the record, there are hints that the Koran is missing some verses

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/chap4.html

 

Indo the fact that one lacks the where-with-all to do what somehting does not in and off itself mean that one does not wish to do it.

 

Did one attack us or not? If they did because we “entered either combat or supplied enemy nations,” that is the actions of a NATION if not all of you are legitimate targets of enquiry no matter what nation you occupy.

Either quit your occupation of our lands or give us the coordinates of the capital cities of your attackers, and do immediately.

You will not be allowed to attack us as Muslims, individually or otherwise, for any reason you justify whatsoever, without all Muslims so engaged being a part of a Nation with a defined border, or ALL Muslims being targets of us, or YOU being a target of us, do you understand?

 

DC 600 k Iraqi kids died because of the sanctions??? And why did those sanctions exist?

 

Saddam. {period}

 

ban all political aspects of all religions and it protects our religious freedom for all times

 

I think we could do without any more religious Inquisitions....

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