Islamophobia? What really are you afriad of?

But when they trurn home they are subject to their husband's control. Why make it seem like freedom just because they may study abroad when in fact this freedom is only granted to them as far as their fathers or husband's or son's allow it to them. It is a disgrace.

Are you really saying that immodesty is a reason for punishment and that only someone who valued this would notice any difference? Well I like wearing short skirts and T-shirts in Summer so I'd probably notice it then.

Where do you get this? I am aware that my ex, who was born in Iran, was taken from his mom when his dad divorced her. He was never permitted to see her again. Of course women are not able to enter into contracts or enjoy rights which we in the west take for granted. I wonder why you claim that under Sharia law the women have rights which we in the west, do not.

He called a poster an islamopologist and got banned for that. I have been called many worse things including nazi and no one has been banned for that. The rules are not enforced consistently. But at least you guys got rid of the guy who was aggrevating you. Now you can agree amongst yourselves.

 

Women do enter into contracts.. How old was your husband when he was taken from his mother?

Modesty is cultural and tradition.

 

Neither you or I know for certain why he was banned(unless you are a sockpuppet for Protectionist, which I do not believe you are). However, it is clear to me that he wasn't banned for calling me or anyone else an "Islamoapologist"- if that were the case he would have been banned months ago.

The last couple of threads he had many posts that were clearly just attacks on the poster rather than dealing with the subject matter. He got warned for it- he posted the warning and accompanied it with a rather bizarre meltdown. I suspect that him giving the finger to the moderators is what got him banned.

Like I said- I got no joy from either- but it might give him an opportunity to cool off- it appears most bans are temporary so he may return. I think he is dangerously wrong in his content, and I enjoy pointing out how wrong he is but he wasn't banned because he was wrong or because he called us names.

 

What aspect of Shariah says that?

QUOTE] Are you really saying that immodesty is a reason for punishment and that only someone who valued this would notice any difference? Well I like wearing short skirts and T-shirts in Summer so I'd probably notice it then.
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A lot of Americans support laws against nudity do they not? Its only a matter of the definition of modesty.

Again, women are allowed to enter contracts under Shariah. In fact, Prophet Mohammad's first wife owned her own business and continued that after her marriage. Islam gave women equal rigths at a time when burying new born kids for the crime of being born a girl was not considered unusual.

Actually he has called half the people on this forum that and all his threads are based on nothing more than hate and stupidity. So it had nothing to do with that.

 

What the Pope says gay marriage isnt natural is this what your carrying on about, somehow thats equal to or worse than killing gays?... whatever. Equal haha what load of dribbling rubbish. A Muslim man can have 4 wives how many can a women have? Her testimony counts as half of a mans, a male gets double the inheritance of the female, husband can beat wife, he can divorce her instantly she will often be denied. Custody laws are very different to ours also.
Convert to Islam is fine, convert to from Islam to other religions is death, how the...... is this fair and equal? Muslim women often cant marry non Muslim men, but Muslim men can marry anyone, the children must be Muslim.
Muslim kills non Mulsim no death penalty, non Muslim kills Muslim gets death penalty.

 

Only often they cant afford the English courts or would be outcast from their Islamic communities if they dont accept the Sharia rulings. Perhaps even viewed as an apostate.

 

you are really good at DELIBERATELY TAKING THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT.

I was responding to a poster who argued that sharia kills women who want to be educated.

stop playing troll.

 

Fundamentalist religion of any type should be feared.

That includes Sharia Law and radical evangelicals.

Besides, if Sharia is what you want, move where it's already in place.

 

That is also Islam's position. Nowhere in the Quran or Hadith is any punishment proscribed for them.

These laws are from a time when there was a lot of warfare and many women could not find husbands. The life of a single woman was extremely difficult since they could find almost no job other than prostitution. Also, having dozens of wives then was considered the norm was some of these reasons. They may not be applicable today but fact remains that Islam gave woman more rights than were given by any other religion or community at that time. Do they need to be modified a bit to meet with today's society? Probably. In most Muslim countries, taking on a second wife is considered most unusual and frowned upon.

Not true. He can only hit her once in their lifetime only when the only other alternative and that too only once with a pencil. This is just an expression of the husband's anger and does not justify beating in any way.

You are talking about implementation of law. I was talking about the actual law itself which is very different.

That was for a time when this tactic was used by spies and was the punishment for spies and no more.

If you believe Christianity to be the only true religion and the only way to secure the Hereafter, would you not want the same for your children. This is just a way to secure that. It might be foreign to US but it keep in mind these laws are from a different time and culture. Their applicability today might be debatable but there are both pros and cons too it and many Muslims are comfortable with it. Even women.

Completely false. Quran teaches tolerance for other religions and give equal rights.

No I don;t really want that as I have repeated countless times in this thread but my point was that Shariah is not the bogeyman that people make it up to.

 

Well, if you're not a woman, homosexual, an apostate, or an atheist, I guess not.

 

Granted there are some laws that do not favour woman but they are from a different time and culture and were suitable for that. I agree that they need to be modified which is why most educated Muslims are against full implementation of Shariah.

No punishment is proscribed in the Quran for homosexuals. It simply calls it unnatural.
The punishment for apostate was there for a different reason and modern scholars are of the opinion that it is no longer applicable specially since the Quran itself says there need be no compulsion in religion.
There is no punishment for atheism in the Quran.

 

You really need to stop quoting from the Daily Fail. It's about as reliable, honest and serious in its reporting as your National Enquirer.http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/i...and-inaccurate-reporting-provokes-more-r.html

 

Women do not have contractual rights without a husband's consent. In fact unmarried women do not even get visas to UAE. My best friend is African and was told by the Hilton hotel that she could not travel there as the country does not want unmarried young women to visit. My friend was 31 at the time and an attonrey, divorced with a child. She had wanted to travel with her banker boyfriend to shop in Dubai. My ex had been 3 when his father kicked his mom out. He only saw her years later in Germany.

Modesty should not be punishable if it is truly a choice.

A lot of Americans support laws against nudity do they not? Its only a matter of the definition of modesty. I lived in the US and I was able to wear shorts and T-shirts. Please tell me where nudity is the same as immodest clothing.


Again, women are allowed to enter contracts under Shariah. In fact, Prophet Mohammad's first wife owned her own business and continued that after her marriage. Islam gave women equal rigths at a time when burying new born kids for the crime of being born a girl was not considered unusual.


Actually he has called half the people on this forum that and all his threads are based on nothing more than hate and stupidity. So it had nothing to do with that.[/QUOTE] The way the law is being applied is such that women are being repressed and objectified like children. I doubt Mohammed intended in that way, then again at the time his treatment of women was also not particularly modern or liberal

 

That is not the true Shariah law but how it is implemented. Two separate things.

Then you should be very much against anti nudity laws in the US.

Telling people to cover 2 inches of their body or 8 inches body. Its really a difference of opinion of the definition of modesty. Either you are totally for a person's complete freedom to wear what he wants or not at all or you should have no objection to how much is required by the law that the body be covered up. Otherwise you are just a hypocrite with an agenda. Its very interesting that the very same people who are so against modesty laws in Muslim countries will turn around and ask that the hijab or burqa be banned.

True but that is against the spirit of Shariah.

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It was extremely liberal given that time. If fact even 50 years ago, you would have considered it very liberal.

 

Well, it sure looks like a lot of supposedly Islamic governments keep pushing for laws that punish homosexuality and atheism.

I'm not gonna support anything relating to Sharia law until the majority of Islamic countries eliminate the laws they use to punish the 4 groups I mentioned.

 

Low crime ? Of course it's low, these places will cut your tongue out if you steal an apple.

Yeah I'd much rather live in a culture that allows the father to kill his daughters if she smiles at the neighborhood boys.

 

The thread is about the Shariah law not of how it is implemented or the politics that abuse it.

The thread is not about the culture. It is about the actual law of Shariah itself. Very different things.

 

Not at all. The law is only as good as how it is implemented and since it seems to be implemented universally to the disadvantage of women, homosexuals and other minorities, always in the name of Shariah law, I think that we should assume it to be so, rather than take your position that Ronaldo says it isn't really meant that way.

 

The way the law is being applied is such that women are being repressed and objectified like children. I doubt Mohammed intended in that way, then again at the time his treatment of women was also not particularly modern or liberal[/QUOTE]

Women can write the marriage contract...........

 

That's idiotic.. Honor killings are treated like murder.. and there is NO punishment for stealing if you are hungry.

In fact the punishment for theivery is for three time losers of grand larceny.

Do you just spout off like this all the time?

 

Each country implements it in a different way so which once would you take as the correct version. I did look into the Quran and sayings of Mohammad to see what it really says rather thann spew off nonsense proving my ignorance. I can tell which option you choose though.

There are a lot of laws in the US which are contrary to what the founding fathers may have intended. By the same token, I could say that each law in the US is exactly what the founding fathers intended. Would you agree to such a statement?

 

Homosexuality is forbidden in Islam , in Quran and sunnah the homosexual punishment is death , please guys, don't distort our religion's principles to defend it, we don't need that .

 

I am not sure how reliable these statistics are. And you forget the most important thing - bans on homosexuality, adultery, apostasy, porn, free speech, overly harsh punishments etc. are crimes in themselves. So in the end, the crime rate of shariah societes is most probably higher than the rest of the world, it is just hidden.

 

This:

 

You mean they make pick up a pen or drive themselves to the ceremony?