Israel intelligence helped US kill Soleimani

Right.....let's hear you bright theory then, why would the US need ISIS in Iraq after they won the war ?

 

And these are two 'bad things' ...... why exactly?

It seems as though you KNOW Qudes stands for "liberation" of Jerusalem and you KNOW those forces fight Israel yet you do not seem to understand what they mean. If you do not understand their meaning get someone to explain it to you.

 

Bro, there are more then two sides in this story, Hitler fought against Communism let's focus just on that and say what a hero he was.

 

Bad for Israel - which is why..........that's right!!....Israel fights them, it's not over ISIS,

You get a candy for this round.

 

but you had no problems with the idea of them eventually settling in a country in the ME. This was years ago and that is how you imagined the situation ending.

 

Do you think my explanation would be any clearer than the one posted by Alexa? Just read it this time > > > > >

 

I already rejected the Arab source story that Israel wants ISIS and it doesn't answer why the US wants ISIS in Iraq after they won the war. you have a theory that got nothing to do with hate right ? its an objective and reasonable story that you spent some time on, you really not a hater just a concerned citizen right ? so go ahead reveal your insights, why does US need ISIS to ravage the ME, particularly Iraq which it already controlled.

 

Well then there is a difference in the news you have got and the news antiwar have got as I put in the quote. I will just copy and past that.

https://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/21/israeli-intel-chief-we-dont-want-isis-defeated-in-syria/

to which I added

It was forever being reported that Israel was going in and doing a bombing of the forces fighting ISIS - and you know who they were. Why else would a country be bombing the people attacking another people if they were not on the side of the people they were rpotecting. What about your hospitals for those injured fighting Assad. When things were not going ISIS way reports were that you had started to give these people weapons and money.

 

No problem ? why because that's what I thought would happen ? I also think that Iran one day will get Nuclear weapons, what now ? what story you want to pin on me now ?

 

I think you may be having difficulties with English. No offence but although you see the words you do not appear to understand them. What is your discontent with people seeking liberation and the need to confront those who stand in the way of that endeavour? Does the term "liberation" frighten you?

 

The General never said he wants ISIS to stay nor that he prefers them to anything - that was an Arab source lie
The other guy quoted said he prefers ISIS over Iran in Syria if those were the two choices, Assad and Russia are not Iran and not ISIS.

 

I dont care much for the words the terrorists use I focus on their actions, they want to destroy my country in their efforts of "liberation" it does not frighten me because we usually end up being condemned in the UN for their efforts - I wont sit and wait for then to suceed....

 

But I am not an Arab. I'm not a Moslem, not a Russian, not a Communist, not an Iranian, not an anti-American, not an anti-Semite, not a pro-Moslem, nor a pro-Arab, or a pro-Iranian. Your response indicates that you think Arab sources are to be "rejected" out of hand which looks awfully anti-Semitic to me. I am a Christian and a European. Have you already rejected the Christian-European view too?

Alexa has already spelt it out perfectly. Is Alexa an Arab do you think whose view needs to be "rejected" on that basis alone?

 

If you listen to the Corbyn and Omar types you will get an entirely dishonest account
of the situation. It's the reverse of what "pro-Palestine" groups portray it.

In Ottoman times Christian groups provided medical care for "Palestinians."
Imagine!

Israel's defence forces provide medical care
https://borgenproject.org/israeli-hospitals/
Believe that?

Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians get medical treatment in Israel. What
stopped many of them was the Palestinian Authority after 2009 Gaza war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Israel
Is that believable?

 

So, you are an anti-Semite. That's what I thought.

 

We are talking about the article she posted yes ?

 

Lets go to the Jewish Telegraph Agency - you got a problem with them as well as anti war?

https://www.jta.org/2018/04/03/united-states/donald-trump-wants-syria-israel-thinks-thats-problem

(I am almost certain by the way that at the time we had a Western Copy of the Israelis saying they did not want Isis defeated.)

However if we take this we can see that Israel does not want Islamic state defeated and wants the US to stay while Trump wants out.

We know - and it is reported recently in one of these threads, we know that Trump was forced to agree to kill Soleimani after he pulled back from the previous attack which the Neo cons and Christian Zionists were wanting on Iran. Trump however said he would only do this if there was an attack by same on an American Civilian. How the hell was this to be arranged? It appears it was around this time that forces Soleimani was in charge of started getting attacked. Research blamed the US and Israel. Clearly when they were getting attacked it was only a materr of time till they responded which presumably was the reason for the attack where the American 'civilian' was. Maybe there were other attacks back or maybe it was just a fulke that someone who could be called an American civilian was there. Israel was the only country in on the killing of Soleimani. israel wanted the US or ISIS in Syria. The US wanted out. Soleimani had almost finished the job of getting ISIS out of Syria was too good at the job and murdered with the hope that ISIS would extend and the US could go home in peace. No wonder ISIS was celebrating That sounds what the evidence is saying.

Now I am not paid to post here. I have to get on with my day.

 

What ?
Once again....
Solemani was the head of Al Qudes forces, named after their agenda to "free" Jerusalem from the Israeli "occupier" (hello), they fight Israel from Lebanon, Gaza, Syria and other Jihadi resorts, that's why Israel considered him an enemy.
I know he also helped to defeat ISIS, that's great, but from our part he was - by he's own free will - an enemy of Israel.
Was I clear this time ?

 

Putin is in Israel, there will be a big ceremony with hugs and kisses.
Israel likes Russia in Syria, Putin isn't "in on it" is he ?

 

Sure, narratives can be guided. That's why I don't trust sites like Balfour Project that are clearly biased toward Palestinians, or sites like Arutz Sheva that are clearly biased against. Bias is not a trustworthy counselor.

There were a lot of forces behind the movement, such as the French Revolution, or the Dreyfus affair. European nationalism and the 1948 revolutions also played an important part, me thinks. Disenchanted Jews who enthusiastically embraced national and revolutionary movements found themselves once again left out, a persecuted minority despite their role in the emancipation of the host nations. Evangelicals didn't fill a spiritual void, they just built on top of existing national aspirations of Jews who found themselves inspired by the social and national upheavals around them, but still not an equal member in the new order.

I'm still waiting for details on those Nazi collaborators during WWII, to be able to understand your "successful Jews" reference.

Which colonialists worked with Zionists?

I didn't mention Iran, did I?

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/56/139

Yes, I know attempts are being made to interpret such texts in ways that do not involve genocide, but with no great success so far. Hezbollah, founded and funded by Iran, openly declared that killing all Jews is one goal of the organization.

Now I mentioned Iran

I'm not one of those "black or white" kind of people. I'm well aware of the shortcomings of Western societies. Nobody's perfect - neither perfectly good, nor perfectly evil. People are usually a mix of the two, wherever they live and whatever their culture.

Yes, some on the European far right are trying to use Israel as a beachhead against Muslims, which they see as common enemies of white Europeans and Jews. However, due mostly to the Iranian leadership's efforts, Arab countries are seeking alliances with Israel. Israel is becoming a normative member of MENA countries.

I agree that all Jews working with the racist far right against Muslims, are indeed akin to Nazi collaborators.

Nobody is out to destroy Iran. The problem is the regime, not the people, or the country.

Israel is here to stay. We're not a colony, we are the indigenous nation of the region.

 

If you have to ask then you didn't really what she wrote.

 

And what is your problem with all of that?

 

I looked it up

https://www.islamiclandmarks.com/palestine-jerusalem/the-city-of-jerusalem-al-quds

 

That answer had nothing to do with what I wrote. You seem to be talking gibberish. You may believe Soleimani was killed for the reasons your media tell you assuming what you say is what your media tells you. I know the Americans were told he was a terrorist and forever killing Americans when the only time he was involved with killing Americans was when they were fighting each other in a war situation in Iraq and he himself was not involved in the killing. Likewise the American Generalls and intelligence involved in that war if going by the US morality are up for Iran to kill. Now what I said in that post and what you ignored

US Just security believe that Trump's killing of Soleimani means that work to get rid of ISIS is thrown away

https://www.justsecurity.org/67927/trumps-fatal-mistake-killing-suleimani-vs-countering-isis/

The author of that thinks they are just thick but it looks more like the killing of Soleimani was deliberate to give ISIS a chance to regain ground in Syria to allow the US to leave and Israel to remain happy that Isis is there killing the people ISIS and it is looking like Israel hate the most - the Shia.

and killing him when he was on a diplomatic mission just shows the level the Americans and other involved have sunk to.

 

If Israel kills people because of their name then things have gone completely mad. Why does Israel feel it has a right to kill anyone who does not believe in Colonialism? Why do you believe you can just kill the indigenous people or throw them off their land. What gives Israel the right to act in a way which would not be accepted by anyone else.