Yes, but what if he let you out of the prison and you killed someone, wouldn't it mean he didn't love the one you killed? And wouldn't it also mean that He didn't love you either since you didn't repent and might end up in hell? Look, God wants company and so does the other guy. You have to choose you know. Okay so I'm bad, but what the heck.
First of all there was no Catholic Church as you know it today. That formation came when it changed culturally from it's Latin/Greek origins into a Latin/Frank Church. In the first thousand years Rome was just another patriarchate of the universal Church; although it was the first among equals. Originally there where 5 Patriarchates; Rome, Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch and Alexandria, and their beliefs were established and defined at the Ecumenical Council at Nicaea and the Councils that came afterwards. As for Jesus Christ, He was God's Word incarnated into flesh, so how can one's words and thoughts be separate from the one who expresses them? Jesus' physical body was a clone of Mary. He had only one set of genes, and because she carried the Creator of the universe inside of her, Mary was therefore able to unite the heavenly realm with our earthly one.
How very Gnostic of you .. an emination from the Godhead .. on which speculation is just that Yes .. for many centuries the divinity of Jesus was debated - before and after Constantine - Rome sacked by Arian Christians round 450 AD .. was a few hundreds years after that until "The Vatican" (and do note the quotation marks .. not that you would say something moronic at this point but .. you know the crowd ..) came back under Trinitarian Control So not just argued about in taverns.. and not just by the Greeks ... This debate was within the Church - nation against nation - .. one not settled to this day ..although there was clearly a winner that was declared ~ 700 years after the death of our Lord.
Now you want me to set a limit to who Jesus will interact with. Tsk tsk. When God says we, does he mean we? Scriptures say that God wills that none of us be lost. Why do you need sin to be saved by accepting the immoral concept of a savior, when you have never been tried or convicted? What huge sin are you admitting to? I never get an answer to that question. I keep hopping. Regards DL
They are fantastic, if read right. Christianity was great before supernatural belief reared it's ugly head. That fact is what got Christianity, then Chrestianity, plus esoteric Jews off the ground and the base of Catholicism, which is also polluted with supernatural belief. They too have forgotten their better ways. Now the only good Christians are Gnostic Christians. Regards DL
I do not think Constantine, who declared Jesus God, had converted when he forced the Trinity concept down the churches throat. He used threats of death and already had plans for the inquisitors. That act is what split the church, and the world really, into East and West. It is taking secularism to bridge that gap. It is getting easier as the vile god religions shrink away, thanks to modernization. Regards DL
Why did God created a killing nature in us, and why did his plan include his sending Satan against Eve to insure we gained that killing nature? I know that you think genocide is a good trait, and likely think killing is as well, but you must see God using Satan directly against an innocent Eve as evil. Or are you so immoral as to not see it? Regards DL
Are you saying Jesus had a womb and vagina instead of a penis? Are you saying Jesus is a woman? Regards DL
I do not see most Gnostic Christian say such. Too supernatural and fantasy sounding. We hold no supernatural belief. What is a Godhead and what would it need animations for, when it can have humans talk for it. Why it would not do it's own talking is what says that there is no such real concepts of emanations from a Godhead. Regards DL
Not one of the yukky 10. Do unto others. Jesus wanted to suicide by cop, and the Jews were willing to have the benefits or loses put onto their heads, as scriptures said they chose when asked to free Jesus or kill him. Jesus failed the test, but lies rule thanks to the literal reading of myths and supernatural beliefs. Facts do not matter to faith. Regards DL
The birth of Jesus doesn't illustrate any of the Commandments, it completes God's revelation to man. God first revealed Himself to Abraham and began showing what He consisted of, and that He didn't require human sacrifices. When the time was ripe God revealed more of Himself by giving Moses a set of moral laws which we know as the 10 Commandments. When the time was ripe again, God revealed Himself fully and showed that He consisted of Pure and sacrificial Love with the advent of His Word in the Person of Jesus Christ.
Your understanding of the biblical fairy tale is about a 1 on a scale of 100. ALL of the stories in the bible illustrate one or more of the real Ten Commandments, but since you don't know what the real Ten Commandments are, you don't know that detail. When the wise men traveled to see the baby Jesus character they were recognizing him as their deity, the Fourth Commandment, by not appearing before him empty-handed (Exodus 34:20). The Jesus character was the sacrificial scapegoat for man's sin, the Eight Commandment. And he was not to be associated with his mother's adultery, the Tenth Commandment. You may want to take a few minutes and read Exodus chapter 34. The real Ten Commandments are found in 34:11-28 = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+34:11-28&version=NKJV “27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the [b]Ten Commandments.“ edit typo
not sure what form of Gnostism you are referring to ... but they either came up with .. or made extensive use of the idea of Aeon's in some of the Gnostic tests that I have read . but do tell - what do I know ... .. what is your version of Gnostic Theology.
His version appears to be insulting and belittling others and their beliefs. I suppose this is to display the enlightened state of being that gnosticism must bring to it's practicers.
I am of the belief - that perhaps some beliefs might be worthy of belittling.. such as the belief in choking one's chicken in public
Jesus never defeated.... ok. It must be true if you say so. I have a few questions.... Given that Jesus was observed by Jews and was Jewish himself, is it not a bit odd that the Jewish people reject him and consider him a fraud? When the authorities show up to arrest Jesus, his disciples bolt like a scene from COPS. Why would they do that? They knew whether Jesus was really the son of God or a god awful fraud. If they knew he was the son of God, why bolt? When Jesus said "give up everything and follow me" who got everything? Why would anyone want Jesus crucified? Who was cheering the crucifixion?
Yep. Why do you think a god would care about your dick and what you do with it? Do you not think that weird that your dick is on his mind? Regards DL
Jews did not reject Jesus without a cause. Jesus wanted and did a suicide by cop. The plan was for him to die so that he could test the messianic prophesy. That is why the Jews took his death on their heads, in case the prophesy paid off. Jesus' suicide by cop failed the test and killed the messianic myths. Regards DL
Would you insult Hitler's S.S.? I would and you are cut from the same vile cloth. They, like you, embraced the genocide of a people and the genocidal trait. Regards DL
Mine is a modern version that uses logic and reason instead of supernatural belief. We use the older and better ways of seeking god. Compare todays garbage discussions as compared to before stupid supernatural thinking raised it's ugly head. I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths. https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2 Further. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it." Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths. "Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning." Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship. Regards DL
Well aware of the good Rabbi .. Teacher of Jesus .. Centurion +10 - and have quoted him many times .. in fact .. you probably got that from me pretty sure I watched the video previously as well. This doesn't really address the Gnostic ideas with respect to the divinity of Jesus .. you are talking about a modern incarnation .. I get that as well .. not sure how the two are connected though .. and they should be ... even if one does not think Jesus was "God's Son"
