another guess,eh? As for prophecies, a good synonym for prophecy is the word guess. Guess enough times and you might get one right. Hmmm what did Nostradamus say on the matter?
I know what you mean. I was a secularist for the first twenty five years of my life. Living by conscience, working, hunting, fishing, etc., was my religion. Now I am in a unique position in that I know that God is real and that he lives. So I don't discount Biblical prophecies, even if I don't quite understand them.
I think you are confusing various ideas here. We know what the sun is doing, because scientists have studied the sun and other stars very closely. In 1.5B years Earth won't be able to have water if it stays where it is. And, if the expansion of the sun boots Earth out of the solar system, which is the other possibility, Earth will be without the energy source that makes life possible. This isn't the kind of consensus you are claiming. It's a matter of scientists carefully studying our solar system and agreeing what our sun is doing. You don't have any evidence of there being a god. You take that on faith alone, as stated in the Bible.
You made the challenge. I'm just holding you to your own judgment. Wherever two or more unbelievers are gathered in the name of conscience, there is conscience in your midst. From it, you, by consensus, lift standards, advance science, and build civilization. And to it you return upon every particular for judgment and validation as the final word. So is it a fantasy based on belief, or is it a truth substantiated in the light of spirit. If true Christianity is an aberration, then what is the world but a house of cards? The words of Jesus Christ is the voice of conscience. So to ignore it is to ignore ones own higher nature. He said, wherever two or more are gathered in my name, there am I in your midst. Our consciences are his gift to us as a birthright. But whether or not we heed it more than to selfishness is something else. Nevertheless, Jesus Christ is in everything we do. He is baked in. Therefore it all belongs to him. So yes, the OP is correct that Jesus Christ will prevail and cannot be defeated. To even attempt to defeat him would be to destroy ourselves from off the earths face. And with it, our souls, in expulsing the love of truth from our bosoms, and rendering ourselves starved vagabonds, at odds with heaven and in fear of his glory. But he is not an evil tyrant. He left his position in heaven and took upon himself flesh, subjecting himself to all human wickedness and indignity. He went below all things for our retrieval and to show us that there is no shame in humility. He never sinned, yet was put to unimaginable grief. Such is not the conduct of an evil tyrant. It is the supreme sacrifice of a loving Father who happens to be God. Can we not, in all that we do, take a moment to give honor where it is due?
No, this is just silly. The USA is 3% atheist and 4% agnostic. We choose our representation by voting. And, Christianity is overrepresented, as America is more comfortable with Christians. THAT is who forms the consensus, makes policy, builds civilization, etc. As for the entire rest of your post, you are just claiming everything that is good as being provided by YOUR particular religion while blaming all the bad on others. That's just a bad ad campaign. Let's remember that our state and federal legislatures are populated by Christians. And, what they promulgate can not be claimed to ensure the values of the life of Jesus.
Oh please. You are being intellectually dishonest. One needn't be Christian to have a conscience and know that it's wrong to murder, rape and steal. But one does have to acknowledge this to be a Christian. And there are no religious ordinance laws in our land for you to claim that our laws are religious. They are for the most part, your laws too, anchored in your own conscience, having nothing to do with organized religion. My whole point is that it's ridiculous for Atheists and unbelievers who live by their invisible, intangible, unprovable light of conscience to criticize Christianity by calling it an invisible, intangible, unprovable fantasy. Don't you get that? Our consciences are divine.
You were throwing around "conscience" in a totally inexcusable manner that you now want to deny!! Now, you accuse me of claims I DID NOT MAKE. Then, you make absolutely STUPID claims concerning the perfection of your own RELIGIOUS beliefs. Sorry - you are not making ANY sense and I'm having a problem even seeing you as interested in honest discussion.
"Jesus is God" - is your premise OK .. but which God ? Does this God have a Name ? Is it the God of Abraham .. God of Jesus .. God of the Israelites .. God of the Jews ? Your claim is not supported by the scripture posted. This is not what the early Christians believed .. at the time when the passage was written round 100-120AD .. and not what the Author believed. Jesus is depicted as "The Logos" the english translation "The Word" being somewhat of a mistranslation.. as Logos can mean word.. but in a religious context it means the emissary between Man and God .. Jesus is then a representation of God's word . Jesus Is God's word.. in that he had the authority to speak for God .. the word of Jesus . is the word of God .. Not because Jesus was God however .. as explained in John .. but because Jesus was given authority to speak on behalf of God .. as explained in John. so ..you lacketh understanding of this passage. so your premise remains unsupported.
Of course the logos is one with the Father in purpose.. kind of the whole point of sending the Logos. Tell you what is moronic through .. folks will deny 100 passages where Jesus refers to the Father directly as someone other than himself - knows things Jesus does not know - the one who sent Jesus -- Jesus subordinate to the Father and so on.. Yet they will throw all of that in the garbage can over one vague passage - throw context in the garbage .. in a desperate attempt to cling to this man made Trinity doctrine...
the new Christian texts say Jesus was not really killed on the Cross, that was a replacement, a look alike 1500 Year-Old Bible Found In Turkey Is Stirring Up Controversy About Christianity" https://www.sunnyskyz.com/good-news...Is-Stirring-Up-Controversy-About-Christianity ""Much to the dismay of the Vatican, an approx. 1500-2000 year old bible was found in Turkey, in the Ethnography Museum of Ankara. Discovered and kept secret in the year 2000, the book contains the Gospel of Barnabas – a disciple of Christ – which shows that Jesus was not crucified, nor was he the son of God, but a Prophet. The book also calls Apostle Paul "The Impostor". The book also claims that Jesus ascended to heaven alive, and that Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place."
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. Douglas Adams
Ah, another early stage in the evolution of a myth narrative; humans are infinitely creative in their story telling, and each in each retelling various details go through a process of revision to provide additional elements to address critics of the veracity of the narrative as a representation of ‘The Truth’. It A good generational scam. I like the narrative I heard a few years ago where Jesus was an extraterrestrial who was ‘beamed’ up at the end… explains so much.
Yet Yahweh will send the vast majority of our divine souls to hell and death. Not a nice way for the prick you adore to treat us. Right? Then again, one does not expect fair treatment from a genocidal homophobe who hates women. Regards DL
As for what justifies a hell, there are some 8,000 human religions, I am sure I can be condemned in all of them, since in part I ascribe to none of them. But on the other hand, I once lived, I died, Was sent to hell, So, guess what? that we are participating in this discussion means we are in the same place.
Would be way better if Jesus had been a vegetarian though, what with thou shalt not kill and that kind of malarkey.
ah, but God of the Bible is said to love to kill and loves meat.... though he did like his meat burnt, I prefer mine medium rare
Ah.. Jesus says this, Jesus says that. I noticed Jesus never wrote an autobiography, I remember playing the phe message game as a child and we all noted how much th message changed from the original to the final going through a class of 20. Then too, proven aspect of how unreliable eye witnesses have been shown to be coupled with how unreliable translations between languages can be and we are supposed ro believe witnesses who wrote rhe words of Jesus, translated countless times, going though over a thousand generations, relayed by those often reinterpreting rexts with their own biases, a multiplicity of other influences, and human motives have all resulted in an accurate transcription of anything Jesus said? Well, Jesus wept when he in retrospect realized how may have died because of what he was supposed to have said. And the the missin half of Jesus wep, was Well, F*** me. So Truth? How many versions are there?
