Marchers ask Trump to ‘liberate’ Hong Kong

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    On the contrary, if we default on our credit with them, it would severely harm our credit rating and drive future interest rates up.
    So they laud that over us. Some Congressmen have expressed a concern that with the huge amount of US debt they hold it's possible they could use that as a financial weapon. Suddenly dump that debt they hold on the world market, the US Treasury would have trouble selling any more debt and it would be very expensive for the US to borrow.
     
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    Ya know Team USA.......he is right. That is exactly what you trumpet. It's nifty to talk the talk so esoterically or in chest beating fashion, but.....no walk the walk. Trump is happy to bully 'Arabs' because knows he can win. Having said that.....there is no way the USA will intervene militarily in Hong Kong. But...the diplomats will be busy.
     
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    History repeats itself

    The Hungarians rebelled against the soviet union in 1956 and there was nothing America could do to help them either
     
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    I’m only responding to the question of why America.
     
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    Yes I know, and you are right. Stay that course, but have no expactation Trump will act, militarily. However, China risks a great deal if it enters Hong Kong. I suspect those in Hong Kong will be resolute as well and there will be a blood bath if China makes the decision to be known internationally as an mongrel. Then, who knows where it will end?
     
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    IDIOTS!
    Have these people never heard of Julian Assange? And to seek assistance from the American Embassy in Hong Kong of all places where CIA agents nearly got their hands on Edward Snowden! He managed to escape by the skin of his teeth by smuggling himself from Hong Kong to Moscow at the last second. These people are idiots!
     
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    Oh yeah. Your’re right. They should’ve asked Putin for help. After all, we all know how he likes to “liberate “countries.
     
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    Don't underestimate the resolve of the PRC in this. During Tiananmen, I thought it was the beginning of a revolution. A Chinese person well known to me said nothing was going to happen because "they will send in the Army and kill them all." I said "Surely they can't kill them all."

    "Oh yes, they can."
     
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    I'm not surprised at all. China has been on a PR campaign to garner world support with its meaningless signing of the Paris climate charade, it's painting itself as an environmental champion and leader in human rights. This is especially important now with the trade war as they try to get the world on their side. If they do another Teinam square all that goes up in smoke
     
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    I heard an interview with a protestor where he said "give me liberty of give me death". I think our revolution is what they admire and wish to emulate so naturally they look to us for help.
     
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    how would helping people obtain freedom and independence promote imperialism?
     
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    Maybe maybe not. China is desperate to change world opinion and that would be a huge setback for them
     
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    "Thousands of demonstrators" are more than "some random activists."
     
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    Exactly. It's countering Chinese imperialism.
     
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    But to some people America is always the bad guy
     
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    What I want Trump to do:
    1) Statement of support for Hong Kong revolutionaries
    2) Offfer of American citizenship to Hong Kong citizens
    3) Threaten CPC with emargo
    4) Threaten CPC with revocation of “Favored Nation Status”
    5) Offer to sell to Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea nuclear weapons.

    THE CPC will blink and offer Hong Kong autonomy and self-rule.

    Then we can get back to what capitalists do best, making my life far richer than the richest Kings who ever lived.

    Hong Kong Protests and Why They’re Important—Yaron Brook and Amy Peikoff

     
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    In case they don't blink are you draftable?

    When a government talks tough, and it ain't enough, then violent force of war must be brought to bear.
     
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    Well, a statement like - we support democracy is OK I guess.

    Why? No!

    For what? This could cause real collapse of global supply chain. While current tariffs are comparatively gentle and still leave an option of allowing the consumer to buy at a higher price, embargo will completely stop the flow of goods.
    Also, what if China places embargo on rear earth minerals? Then what?

    Which is just another tariff thing, ok.

    And what if China in response gives nukes for free to North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia and half of the African continent?

    What if they don’t blink?

    I know ideology is great, support for freedom is great, but you don’t do that to a side that will definitely lose - Hong Kong has a land connection to mainland China, it’s not some remote colony. Helping Hong Kong would require us to enter mainland China, or its territorial waters, which will give Chinese every right to use lethal force to defend themselves. While the liberal ideas of the protesters are great, I don’t think Trump or any POTUS should risk the real lives of Americans to push for some ideology. A word of support is just about enough.
     
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    If the CPC sends in the troops, slaughters, arrests, tortures, extradites, then the CPC has declared war on the Rights of Man. If the free world backs down, liberty is dead; if liberty is dead, then the creative minds will perish, bright spark by bright spark, just like in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged--only this time it won't be fiction; there will be no heroes of Atlantis to resurrect humankind--if the creative minds cease to exist, a New Dark Ages will be spawned and they will make the last one look like human progress.

    For the men of the intellect to allow tyranny to thrive and grow is to condemn humanity to a living hell. They will not be forgotten because they won't be forgiven.
     
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    No, no was no rights of man. Just a crack down on a protest. And it’s not the first one. ;)

    Again, since when is cracking down on a protest results in New Dark Ages? Why didn’t other government crackdowns result in that?

    You should book yourself a flight to Africa. Pick any country. Just make sure to get some armed escort.
     
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    Just like Red Coats.

    To delude one’s self is easy; to open one’s eyes and see takes courage. The revolutionaries in Hong Kong have eyes wide open; the CPC wants to shut them, and today’s intellectuals want to pretend it’s all unreal and subjective. Hans and Sophie Sholl knew better, as did Sasha and Irina. One would think it would be obvious, but self-blindness is hard to cure.
     
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    I support Hong Kong

    This is the CPC, a communist tyranny, threatening to act against the free city-state of a capitalist Hong Kong. America is the last remaining stronghold of liberty. She is the symbol of liberty. She is an ideal all good men have in their souls. For the CPC to move in tanks, weapons, and soldiers to slaughter the unarmed whose only request is to live free, and for America to turn her back on that atrocity, will do immense damage to the human psyche. This Liberty vs Tyranny on the world stage, and who sides with whom says a great deal about their souls.

    I side with Hong Kong.


    The light of the Enlightenment is going out, and you mock and belittle those in whose heart the remaining embers still flicker. I won’t betray them. There are not ANTIFA or Proud boys. They are heroic individuals, the best and the brightest, fighting with all their hope and strength until their last breath to breathe free.

    I stand with Hong Kong.
     
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    lol asking for trump... what a joke. this is potus that want to sell more weapon to Saudi so they can bomb the crap out of yemen.
     
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    maybe trump will grand those people asylum status, NOT.
     
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    It would be the moral thing to do, so he won’t.
     

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