MOD ALERT Palestinians - Their hatred is the cause of their misery.

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  1. highlander

    highlander Banned

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    No ..... The facts speak for themselves.

    The truth yells out at those prepared to listen.

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  2. MGB ROADSTER

    MGB ROADSTER Banned

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    That's the problem.
    The pro Islamists here are not prepared to listen.
     
  3. Art_Allm

    Art_Allm Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Zionists are afraid of the truth!

    That is why Zionists hate all non-Jews and even decent Jews that do not support their racism and genocidal policies.
     
  4. HBendor

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    The following is proven on a daily basis...

    That the Muslims/Arabs hate all JEWS and even decent Muslims/Arabs DO NOT support their racism and genocidal policies...

    This the truth and your post does not tell the truth! In my estimation it is a prevarication.
     
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    On many occasions on this Forum, opponents of Israel have used the delineation of <International Law> as a backing for their vile qualification of Israel... As of late, I have been privy to one of the <International Law> conference and listened in awe... It was a super education for me and a balm to my psyche. In addition to that, I purchased the book
    ISBN 978-965-7344-52-1 <The Legal Foundation and Borders of Israel under <International Law> by the late Howard Grief... The book reveals in details exactly what transpired, how and for what reason the British behaved the way they did, the legal implications and the result of the false impressions they generated to explain their duplicitous behavior.


    Click here to watch: < Disputing Occupation: Israel’s Borders and Settlements in International Law >

    http://tinyurl.com/kc4576a

    <The Legal Foundation and Borders of Israel under International Law> offers a comprehensive and systematic legal treatment of Jewish national and political rights to all of the Land of Israel. The author, Howard Grief, is the originator of the thesis that the jure sovereignty over the entire Land of Israel and Palestine was vested in the Jewish People as a result of the San Remo Resolution adopted at the San Remo Conference on April 24, 1920.
     
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    Art_Allm Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Well, that is the opinion of Jewish Zionists (0,01% of World's population).

    But what about the rest of Humanity?

    How many human being share you opinion?

    Not a lot, and that is the reason why Zionists are becoming so nervous and are demanding Bolshevik-Style censorship of anybody who exposes their crimes (speak the majority of human beings who have not lost their brains and their humanity.

    http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/london-declaration-on-anti-semitism-a-glimpse-into-jewish-ph.html
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So all zionists are jews. I suggest you'd be taken more seriously if you werent so ignorant of the subject.
     
  8. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Let me use an analogy.

    A family is living relatively peacefully in their home (i.e. all Palestinians) when uninvited relatives (the Arabs never approved of the British Mandate for Palestine) of one of the residents comes from out of state and moves in (Zionist immigration from Europe from 1922 to 1948 ) and then takes over the kitchen and the living room (Israeli Declaration of Independence in 1948 ) forcing many of the family out of the kitchen and living room with violence and coercion. When the immediate neighbors of the residents come to their aid (the Arab nations in 1948 ) they are defeated uninvited intruders.

    Forced out of the kitchen and living room (Israel) the neighbors provide some protection to the residents of the home that are now confined to the bedrooms (the Sinai, West Bank, and Golan heights). Later the uninvited intruders break into the bedrooms (1967 Isreali attacks on Egypt,Jordan, and Syria) and take control of the bedrooms as well.

    The Town Council (UN Security Council) tells the intruders they have to get out of the bedrooms (West Bank, Golan Heights, E Jerusalem, and Sinai (UNSC 242) but the intruders ignore that requirement even though they signed an agreement (UN Charter) with the town council to follow it's resolutions.

    They start moving other intruders into the bedrooms (i.e. illegal Israeli immigration) in violation of agreements they've made (Article 49 of the Geneva Conventions). In doing this they often throw the original residents out of bed (bulldozing of Palestinian homes) so they can make room for the illegal occupation of the bedrooms by the intruders (Israeli settlements in the W Bank, Golan Heights and E Jerusalem).

    The intruders later leave one of the bedrooms (Gaza) but refuse to allow friends of those in the residents in that bedroom to come and go freely (the Gaza blockaide). Every once in awhile they break into the bedroom (Gaza) and kills some of the residents.

    While not excusing the actions of the original residents that sometimes resort to the murder of some of the uninvited intruders I can certainly find reason for the originaly residents of the home to be really PO'd at the intruders.
     
  9. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Sadly that is true for some Arabs because they fail to differentiate between the atrocities committed by Zionist Jews and Jews in general. They stereotype all Jews as being Zionists when we know that they're not. It is ignorance and bigotry based upon stereotyping.

    But we see the same problem related to Islamic terrorism where some stereotype all Muslims based upon the actions of a relatively small percentage of radical Muslims that commit acts of terrorism. That is also ignorance and bigotry based upon stereotyping.
     
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    If I did not respect you that much I would state that the above is <RUBISH>... In fact this is so...

    The analogy of a people returning to his <ancestral home> make him a conqueror in your eyes is a fake analogy, it is a falsity that has to be rectified. The Arabs that lived illegally in the <ANCESTRAL HOME OF THE JEWS> are squatters... some obtained proprietorship on some of the Land during the Ottoman Empire that lasted then 400 years from 1517 - 1917, that does not make Ottoman People to Palestinians overnight either sir... the designation <Palestinian> was coined by Arafat in 1964 O N L Y !!!!!

    The Jewish People never left the Land completely, it is when their brethren from all over the world <NOW CALLED ZIONISTS IN A DERAGOTARY FASHION> came to join them that the squatter's insecurity became prevalent and <ITBAH AL YAHUD = SLAUGHTER THE JEWS> became a battle cry.

    This is the <Land of the Jews> and no amount of denigration from anyone will EVER change that!!!!!!!
     
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    So now it is <QUANTITY OF AIRHEADS> vs <QUALITY OF INTELECTUALS>... Does not mesh at all... Islam has managed to garner all the uneducated, undisciplined, brainwashed and programmed them to the writing of a pedophile, murderer and thief... they are the Multitude!!! How many Nobel prizes they have managed to get in the past generation? (Practically none in comparison with hundreds of educated, emancipated Jews...
     
  12. Shiva_TD

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    The residents of Palestine at the end of WW I were the "legal residents and citizens of Palestine. This included Arabs, Jews, Christians and others.

    Any Jews that abandoned "Palestine" over the last 2000 years, for whatever reason, fundamentally lost any claim based upon "abandonment" of Palestine.

    Of note I've never read of a single case where a European Jew was ever able to actually document Palestine as their "homeland" by providing documents of actual residency in Palestine by one of their direct ancestors. If they could come up with an actual legal "land title" or "rent receipt" for one of their ancestors (i.e. including the documentation that they are a literal descendant of the person named on the document) then they might have a valid claim.

    All property rights, including the Right of Citizenship, are based upon the individual person and are not established by a "group" as "groups" have no Rights.

    The analogy is very valid from all legal defintions of the Right of Property for the Individual.

    Speaking of which there are Palestinian Arabs that can prove with documentation that they or their direct ancestors lived in "Israel" prior to the Israeli revolution and they do have a Right of Citizenship in Israel so why has Israel refuse to allow them to return to their Homeland?
     
  13. MGB ROADSTER

    MGB ROADSTER Banned

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    All Arabs hate Palestinians the most, next to Jews.
     
  14. HBendor

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    I do not feel the need to confront you with any truth since there is no need to... we disagreed and we disgree now.

    I will let Joseph Farah answer your post... here goes

    Let me state this plainly and clearly: The Jews in Israel took no one's land.
    When Mark Twain visited the Holy Land in the 19th century, he was greatly disappointed. He didn't see any people. He referred to it as a vast wasteland. The land we now know as Israel was practically deserted.
    By the beginning of the 20th century, that began to change. Jews from all over the world began to return to their ancestral homeland &#8211; the Promised Land Moses and Joshua had conquered millennia earlier, Christians and Jews believe, on the direct orders of God.
    That's not to say there wasn't always a strong Jewish presence in the land &#8211; particularly in and around Jerusalem. In 1854, according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews constituted two-thirds of the population of that holy city. The source for that statistic? A journalist on assignment in the Middle East that year for the Tribune. His name was Karl Marx. Yes, that Karl Marx.
    A travel guide to Palestine and Syria, published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker, illustrates the fact that, even when the Islamic Ottoman Empire ruled the region, the Muslim population in Jerusalem was minimal. The book estimates the total population of the city at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews.
    "The number of Jews has greatly risen in the last few decades, in spite of the fact that they are forbidden to immigrate or to possess landed property," the book states.
    Even though the Jews were persecuted, still they came to Jerusalem and represented the overwhelming majority of the population as early as 1906. And even though Muslims today claim Jerusalem as the third holiest site in Islam, when the city was under Islamic rule, they had little interest in it.
    As the Jews came, drained the swamps and made the deserts bloom, something interesting began to happen. Arabs followed. I don't blame them. They had good reason to come. They came for jobs. They came for prosperity. They came for freedom. And they came in large numbers.
    Winston Churchill observed in 1939: "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."
    Then came 1948 and the great partition. The United Nations proposed the creation of two states in the region &#8211; one Jewish, one Arab. The Jews accepted it gratefully. The Arabs rejected it with a vengeance and declared war.
    Arab leaders urged Arabs to leave the area so they would not be caught in the crossfire. They could return to their homes, they were told, after Israel was crushed and the Jews destroyed. It didn't work out that way. By most counts, several hundred thousand Arabs were displaced by this war &#8211; not by Israeli aggression, not by some Jewish real-estate grab, not by Israeli expansionism.
    In fact, there are many historical records showing the Jews urged the Arabs to stay and live with them in peace. But, tragically, they chose to leave.
    Fifty-four years later, the sons and daughters and grandsons and granddaughters of those refugees are all-too-often still living in refugee camps &#8211; not because of Israeli intransigence, but because they are misused as a political tool of the Arab powers.
    Those poor unfortunates could be settled in a week by the rich Arab oil states that control 99.9 percent of the Middle East landmass, but they are kept as virtual prisoners, filled with misplaced hatred for Jews and armed as suicide martyrs by the Arab power brokers.
    This is the modern real history of the Arab-Israeli conflict. At no time did the Jews uproot Arab families from their homes. When there were title deeds to be purchased, they bought them at inflated prices. When there were not, they worked the land so they could have a place to live without the persecution they faced throughout the world.
    It's a great big lie that the Israelis displaced anyone &#8211; one of a series of lies and myths that have the world on the verge of committing yet another great injustice to the Jews.
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    BS

    http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/14870

    Do I really need to provide the news stories of Palestinian homes being bulldozed by the Israeli government to confiscate the land from the Palestinians living on it? How much of Israel itself was confiscated from the lawful landowners when Israel was created? I believe that something like 18% of all Israel was confiscated from the legal Arab owners of the land under the pretext that they were not in Israel and these Arab landowners were not allowed to go to Israel to challenge the confiscation of their land.

    The Israeli government has no international legal authority in the West Bank, Golan Heights, or East Jerusalem and European Zionists Jews had no claim to Palestine.
     
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    You started with a pejorative so I say dbl BS to you

    Israel is a country of Law and Order.
    If you build without a permit you risk having your home demolished.
    The Municipality levy applies to Jews and all residents.
     
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    Quite simply ........ They aren't as stupid as you hence .... They know what America is doing is called genocide.
    Only it's the Talmud degenerates that's implementing and sponsoring the debacle with American tax dollars.

    Regards
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    Aye right enough ..... Order the Palestinians to there ghettos and remove the rights of human dignity with abhorrent laws and any remonstrations again the rule of Talmud law. Godhead them as its not going to from these nazi nazi scum.

    Regards
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    Of course they are not stupid.
    Islamists are busy killing each other .
    How many Arabs were killed by Arabs since Januarry 1st 2013 ?? How many ??? THOUSANDS !!!!
     
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    The West Bank, Golan Heights, and E Jerusalem are not within the internationally recognized borders of Israel and Israel is under a UN mandate (UNSC 242) to remove it's military from these territories. The allowing of Israelis into these territories is in direct violation of International Law (Article 49 of the Geneva Conventions).

    The problem with Israel is that it's imposing it's laws on non-Israelis in territories that are not a part of Israel and to which Israel has no claim. And while Israel has laws those laws are discriminatory and violate the Inalienable Rights of Non-Jews. Just because a law exist doesn't imply that the law is just.
     
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    Broken record moaning..
    Let's again write something about Israel... Maybe the world will forget about the tens of thousands Arabs whom are being
    killed by other Arabs..
    Arabs today are not Stupid , they understand that the Palestinian problem is caused by the Palestinians. The Arab leauge knows it, they
    are fed up with the palestinians.
    Let's write BS threads about Israel... YES diversion...
     
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    Here is a good illustration that will give substance to your point of view

    Saturday Night at the Movies - Obsession


    https://go.madmimi.com/redirects/13...13741611deb66f3-fb24ee6?pa=453709588762522346

    Obsession - Radical Islam's War Against the West

    This award-winning 1 Hour film from the makers of "The Third Jihad," reveals that radical Islam, driven by a religiously motivated rejection of western values, cultures and religion, is engaging in a multifaceted strategy to overcome the western world. Using images from Arab TV, rarely seen in the West, Obsession reveals an insider's view of the hatred the Radicals are teaching.

    Obsession &#8211; Radical Islam&#8217;s War Against the West

    http://bit.ly/10ZPafe
     
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    What little grasp you have of the facts!
    Perhaps a little more facts and a little less bigotry?
    Regards
    Highlander
     
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    And there are none so blind as those who will not see.
     
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    I concur.
    The America paid mercenaries are never included in the speel of those you speak about!
    Regards highlander
     

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