NRA: 'Children Can Have Fun At The Shooting Range'

Martial arts don't make it so a 5' tall, 100 lb woman can defend herself against a 6'2, 200 lb bruiser who knows how to fight. Also, to use martial arts in self defense requires actually hurting somebody. A gun used in self defense can be used to make credible threats, which can fend off an attacker without actual violence. Martial arts is for people who are just itching to fight. Guns are for those of us who would rather just show force than actually hurt someone.

 

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kiddo: step away from your computer...we have enough 3rd grade philosophy going here without some of your crap. That reply was straight out of the NRA Handbook on the non-lethal aspects of guns when not in the hands of humans....tell that to a neighborhood kid who brings his friend in to check out his Dad's family arsenal...and gets a bullet between the eyes.

 

Speaking of stepping away from the keyboard...how about actually using some logic and facts to back your irrational fear.

The only "brainwashing" that has gone on is the anti-gun loons brainwashing the gullibals to believe that an inanimate object is able to act on its own.

Get back to us when you actually have a logical argument.

Lol...I suppose you think anyone gets a "bullet between the eyes" because the gun did it all by itself...hahahahahahaha!

 

That link used a different definition of children--i.e. your gun stat comes from 0-19 yr old children, the car stat fro 0-15 yr old children.

Let's look at 2003 firearms data in CDC's wisqars data for those 15 and younger:
Usign that, I get 580 gun deaths for kids 15 and younger. Your NHTSA link gives 1591 deaths for kids 14 and younger, i.e. almost 3 times as much.

For people who claim to be data-driven, and big fans of science, I find liberals tend to not use it much. Is is intellectual dishonesty, or just being data challenged?

Wisqars database link below:
http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

Using wisqars for 2011 data (latest they have open to the public),
I get 572 gun deaths in those 15 and under, and 1625 for motor vehicle (overall).

 

IQ has nothing to do with mental fitness. High IQ people can be very mentally ill and insane (and often are).

 

So are cars. What is your point?

 

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1) a 6'4" 210 lb boyfriend does the job of protection nicely

2) Wrong: It is strictly self defense with no thought of retribution...only defending oneself.

3) And a gun used in self defense can be taken from you and used against you,,,boo-hoo for you!!

4) Whoa, that is a dangerous over-simplification of the facts: please explain the number of corpses yearly from gunshot wounds, and how does that compare with martial arts/self defense fatalities. ...bowing....

 

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You sound angry....hmmm...was it something I said?

 

And (many) more are injured each day by autos. But both cause death so if we followed your original logic out to its conclusion when you posted about guns, where do we end up?

 

We end up with many preventable deaths.

 

Wow... you are promoting "damsel in distress"... The feminists are going to like this..

http://www.feministfrequency.com/2013/03/damsel-in-distress-part-1/

 

The far right Mother Jones claims that 500 children under 12 are killed by guns each year but the CDC says the number is closer to 200. Of the total of 2.7K kids under 18, half intentionally killed themselves so we have to agree that at least 675 would have found another way. That means that accidents and gang killings is still only 5.5 kids per day.

Why is it that you never have your facts straight and the numbers you have here don't relate to accidents.

 

1) ... Who is armed with a gun for self-defense- FIXED!

3) only if you're close enough to the attacker. A 9mm Baretta has an effective range of about 50m. Try to karate chop someone at that distance.

 

Excellent! That is actually just a little bit outside Victorville on the way to Barstow from SoCal.

 

8 children die from gunshot wounds every day in America.

http://www.politifact.com/oregon/st...rage-nine-children-day-die-united-states-gun/

 

Nothing says, "Independent Woman", like being dependent on another for self defense!

Handguns are rarely taken from the owner and used against them in comparison to when the owner uses them on the bad guy.

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More die from cars and drowning every day. You ready to outlaw cars and pools?

 

Oh, so now my age is under fire, AGAIN? Can you people think up of ANYTHING else with which to attack me, besides my age? Many people happen to agree with my philosophy. Yours, however is flawed. Again, guns are merely a tool used by criminals, the irresponsible, and mentally-deranged people to cause harm; on the flip side, law-abiding citizens use guns to protect their homes.

In the hypothetical situation you presented, that dad would be irresponsible for not locking up his guns; using my logic, he should be prosecuted for doing so.

 

Nope. What do they have to do with objects designed to kill? Have you ever hunted with a swimming pool?

 

Nice to know that you have such an high IQ that does not allow you to ever be the victim of crime.

 

Watch this video; it's quite hilarious. Piers gets destroyed by Shapiro on the issue of guns. I invite any leftist on this forum to try to refute Shapiro's claims.

http://youtu.be/BHIQtxLCgrM

 

1. "A" boyfriend is probably a poor protector against 3 (or more) 200+ pound attackers/home intruders, etc. Besides, it's hard to carry a 210lb boyfriend around on your hip all day, or have him available 24/7.

2. Self defense is self defense...why does it matter?

3. Can be, certainly. No one is claiming a gun guarantees 100% certain safety, but it is, without question the most effective tool currently available...unless of course, you have some sort of proof otherwise?

4. It's not oversimplification by any means. Do you want to discuss effective means of self defense, or do you want to discuss number of deaths due to various inanimate objects? I promise you the statistics are definitely not on your side about deaths.

 

Not angry at all....so anyway, back to the posts...gonna reply or continue to deflect?

 

And I submit that you don't know jack squat about what the NRA is or isn't except what you read in you very biased sources. Which do not know any more than you.

I get that you hate guns but do not pretend that huff 'n' puff is any authority on the matter.

 

Please do yourself a favor and quit while you're behind. However to humor your total lack of knowledge I suggest you look up the 1968 GCA and how guns were bought prior to it's implementation and the 20,000 plus gun laws on the books nation wide and then never bring up lax gun laws again.

 

The last paragraph of your link:

See, the original Brady Campaign claim was 9 deaths per day. This was reduced to 7.81, but in the end, the article admits that it is a mostly bogus number anyway because they are including people who are not children.

Conclusion: your citation refutes your assertion.