President Obama To Announce Exec. Action On Immigration...Tomorrow Night-

Illegal is illegal i could care less if they are minors and no one but the most partisan Progressives thinks that minors are coming from countries like El Salvador by themselves.

 

of course you do, labeling children criminals comes easy to the right.... but their is much both sides agree on, that is what Congress should be working on, not things they disagree on and will never pass

 

I'm not on the right. I dont label anyone a criminal their actions label them a criminal.

 

OK, what stopped the Dems when they had the power in 2009? How exactly does this Exec action fix anything?

Typical reactionary management. Lead from behind.



The difference is that the house has had the immigration problem sitting in their laps for 6 years and have failed to act. There needs to be immigration reform, even the Republicans admit that. What was that about immigration reform bills sitting on Harry Ried's desk?? The Senate passed an immigration reform bill in June 2013, sent it to the house where it died because Boehner couldn't get it done. All Boehner had to do to stop Obama from issuing EOs on immigration was to allow the Senate bill to be voted on by congress but he was more interested in voting 40 times to repeal Obamacare.[/QUOTE]

 

Why hasn't Reid sent the Senate bill to the House?

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Lets start with S744, the Senates own immigration bill that still sits on Reids desk.

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I wonder than why under Bush that employers were being fined, to include under Obama? As musch as you seem to want to make this racial, its futile on your part.

 

I do not know if its been sent over or not, I know it passed the senate, would assume that means it's sent over, if not, republicans can send it over when they take control

fact is, Congress never gave Obama a bill, Congress failed

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Or the Senate, under the Republicans, can pass the House immigration bills that are sitting on Reids desk.

Why must people insist on the Senate bill being passed into law? Its a terrible bill full of pork and won't do really anything to stop or curb illegal immigration.

 

children crossing the border are not criminals, they are children

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I don't know, I think republicans want to show they had a bill in congress, but did not expect anyone to look and see that it was actually a bill written by Democrats

I am not pushing either parties agendas in Congress, I just want them to get a bipartisan bill passed, one they both agree on, there is enough common ground, work on that, forget the other stuff

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Its a political football for the Democrats right now, they've been playing it since the 50's.

 

Actually they are illegals. Crossing the border breaks the law. Its "Common sense"

 

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You're right, no one want's to act on immigration, that's the point. Everyone wants to talk about it but no one wants to act. If they were really serious about stopping illegal immigration, they'd start enforcing the law and arrest and charge employers who hire illegals.

 

Ok, let's start with Senate Bill S744. That bill was passed by the Senate on June 24, 2013 by a margin of 68 for to 32 against and sent to the house. Speaker Bohner refused to act on the bill because he said the house was working on their own immigration bill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border...ty,_and_Immigration_Modernization_Act_of_2013

I've never seen any information about employers being charged for hiring illegals by the Bush administration but not by the Obama administration. I've seen US Border Patrol sweeps and Maricopa County Sheriffs Office sweeps and they've never arrested the employers.

If you have links, I'd like to see them.

 

innocent until proved guilty in a court of law, children are not criminals.....

 

Them simply being here is proof enough. Try again.

 

That is the cause of your confusion. Not understanding there are different types of law and offenses. "Illegal is illegal" is meaningless in the law.

Dropping a gum wrapper on the ground is a crime. Killing someone is a crime. Both are not equal in the eyes of the law or by those that have common sense.

Immigration law is a branch of law called Administrative law. It is not criminal law. The application of immigration laws is up to judgement. A border patrol agent has the authority to turn border crossers back at the border... just as a cop on the beat can give a warning to a person littering.

No cop is going to let anyone slide on a murder. Illegal is illegal is meaningless.

 

were a nation of laws, until found guilty by a court of law, your innocent

 

Where in your link does it state that Boehner refused to act on S744? Where does it claim that S744 was ever sent to the House for a vote?


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-bill-from-ho/

Please explain why Reid has never sent the bill to the House and why he is playing politics with the issue, and why you Progressives ignorantly blame the Republicans for the politics the Dems are playing.

If you would actually search for the info vs espousing propaganda, you might just find it. http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...holds-record-cracking-down-employers-who-hir/

 

Dropping a gum wrapper on the ground is an infraction, not a crime.

Let’s look at this from the perspective of the court system. If I am the one going against you in court, it is a civil matter, if the government is taking you to court, whether it is State or Federal, it is criminal matter.

In civil law, a private party (a corporation or individual person) files the lawsuit and becomes the plaintiff. In criminal law, the litigation is always filed by the government, who is called the prosecution.

Criminal law is much better known to laymen than civil law. They often misapply principles from criminal law to situations in civil (e.g., tort) law, which results in their misunderstanding.

Illegally entering the US is a violation (entry without inspection, i.e. “Violators of Conditions of Entry&#8221. Unlawful presence is also a violation (legally entered visa overstay, i.e. "Nonimmigrant Status Violators"). Both violations are removable offenses under the Immigration Act. As deportable aliens are not citizens of the U.S., they do not have the same rights as a U.S. citizen or Legal Permanent Resident. Their deportation hearing takes place before an immigration judge. Since the penalty is deportation and/or a fine and/or jail time (civil and criminal penalties), many people think of the Immigration Court as a civil court. In fact, the Immigration Court is a criminal court, as it is the government prosecuting the offense.

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Doesn't work that way for illegals unless charged with a civil crime.

 

Obama's illegal amnesty has opened the floodgates to even more illegal immigration. Obama will not stop at this. He will let them all stay. Can't wait until he is gone:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...20T00&msg=Time left until Obama leaves office

 

so if one has had a speeding ticket, parking ticket, ect.... they are a criminal and forevermore should be labeled as such?

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You are confusing an infraction (speeding ticket, parking ticket, etc) with a criminal offense. Crossing the border without authorization is a criminal offense.

 

but you just said civil was when a person takes you to court, criminal was when the gov takes you to court?

"Let’s look at this from the perspective of the court system. If I am the one going against you in court, it is a civil matter, if the government is taking you to court, whether it is State or Federal, it is criminal matter."

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Yea, so? Infractions are simple fines and/or penalties (a point against a driving record, etc). It is not the state taking you to court (a simple notice to appear in the County of the infraction for Traffic Court), there is no jury, etc.

 

From the Wiki I provided: Conservative Republicans in the US House of Representatives are opposed to this bill. House Republicans and Speaker Boehner have said that this bill will not be introduced on the House floor, a tactic which has been called anti-democratic by some as it prohibits US House members from conducting a debate and a poll on this bill due to a so-called Hastert Rule.

More from Boehner regarding senate bill 744 including video: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ouse-gop-on-immigration-well-do-our-own-bill/