Putin: The U.S. World Order has Failed

Discussion in 'Russia & Eastern Europe' started by catalinacat, May 23, 2014.

  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    37,994
    Likes Received:
    7,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Are we talking about the U.S.? Oh no that's right, they were greeted with bouquets of flowers everywhere they went...just like in the Crimea. :oldman:
     
  2. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    37,994
    Likes Received:
    7,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Nato is having major maneuvers in the Baltics, but it's not to pacify the fears of nations such as Poland. This is all a front to try to hinder Russia's legitimate rights in the oil rich Artic. Moscow is fully aware of this, so it is building bases to protect its interests. Russia is also having maneuvers to counteract the ones Nato is having. :oldman:
     
  3. Consulting PBH

    Consulting PBH Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2014
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The US has invoked the Monroe Doctrine to keep Eastern Hemisphere countries out of the Western Hemisphere e.g. Cuba. It is time the US stays out of the Eastern Hemisphere... Since Korea we are 0 - 8 at least and have left the Middle East and Southeast Asia burning in our wake.
     
  4. Bill Fishlore

    Bill Fishlore New Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2014
    Messages:
    272
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Skipping over Putin's silly rant, he does have a point about the U.S. "world order." Let's face it, America's rise to hegemony was a result of the Great European Civil War which began in 1914. In its first phase, the war allowed the US to take over former British and French export markets, make millions selling to the warring powers and plunge Europe into debt and bankruptcy. In its second phase the USA achieved some 50% of the world's industrial output and to extend its hegemony to Africa, Asia and the Middle East.

    But that military and economic supremacy could not and did not last. The recovery of the former Axis powers as well as the recovery based on the EU and the rise of China changed the shape of the world economy as well as creating the demand that gave birth to OPEC. But the USA failed to adapt to these inevitable developments. Rather than engineering a soft landing at the inevitable loss of our unearned hegemony, we attempted to suppress the rising nationalism of former colonies in a series of bloody and ineffective military actions whose unpopularity allowed the USSR to balloon from its devastated command economy to a world power second only to USA. As challenges to America proliferated economically, our ruling class allowed our technological advantage to stagnate, exporting capital to more profitable overseas markets while our workers fought over shares of faltering economy under the rubric of "reaganomics".

    We remain militarily powerful but our economy has stagnated and our society is decaying at an accelerating rate. Our political system has been corrupted in order to prevent constitutional mechanisms of reform from operating. Putin has a point.
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,458
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Barely any of the former Soviet states joined Putin's new "Eurasian Economic Union".

    Looks like the Russian World Order has failed.

    :)
     
  6. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    37,994
    Likes Received:
    7,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Because the movement at Maidan consisted of people from the Polish affiliated areas of Ukraine, which are a minority and not a majority of the people in Ukraine. Those people have a historical animosity to Russia and to the majority of the Ukrainians who happen to be Russian speaking. If it was truly a movement of the people, then where were the Ukrainians from the southern and eastern areas? They are the ones who voted for Yanukovich.

    Now some logic, since the Eastern parts of Ukraine consists not only of ethnic Russians, as well as Russians who settled there centuries ago, and since they intermarry frequently with people in Russia, as well as being dependent on Russia for its favorable trade deals, why would they want to join the E.U.?

    The U.S. is not satisfied with making a mess of Ukraine, it is now causing major problems in Bulgaria with its bullying to stop the Southstream gas pipeline which is necessary for the survival of its people, as well as in Moldava, since a part of it wants to keep ties to Russia, and refuses to become a part of the E.U. A military is now being formed to fight the Moldavan government. Of course this will be blamed on Putin as well...or at least in our government controlled media it will.

    Let's just see how much further the 'chaos' in Europe will go...thanks to the U.S. of course. :oldman:
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,458
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    you have no evidence that these people hold any allegiance to Poland, just baseless & bigoted speculation.

    Poland and Ukraine exchanged most of the other nations' population just aftr WW2.

    This is why not one single Oblast in Ukraine has even 1% Polish population.

    The deportations occurred in three stages.[5] The first stage occurred at the end of World War II. Poland and the Soviet Ukraine conducted population exchanges - Poles that resided east of the established Poland-Soviet border were deported to Poland (c.a. 2,100,000 persons) and Ukrainians that resided west of the established Poland-Soviet Union border were deported to Soviet Ukraine. Population transfer to Soviet Ukraine occurred from September 1944 to April 1946 (ca. 450,000 persons). Some Ukrainians and Lemkos (ca. 200,000 persons) left southeast Poland more or less voluntarily between 1944 and 1945. Bilateral agreements were signed between Poland and the Soviet Union on September 9, 1944 and August 16, 1945. As a result of these treaties, some 400,000 Lemkos and Ukrainians were deported to Ukraine, and some 300,000 managed to stay in their native regions, within the borders of Poland.

    The second event occurred in 1947 under Operation Vistula . The Rusyn and Ukrainian population that still existed in southeastern Poland were forcibly resettled to western and northern Poland. The deportation to West-Poland occurred from April 28 to July 31, 1947, and involved 130,000 - 140,000 persons who were internally relocated in Poland.

    A third deportation of Ukrainians and Poles occurred in 1951. It occurred when Poland and the Soviet Union adjusted the border in the upper San River area and in the Belz area. Poland was given land east of the San River south of Przemyśl and Soviet Ukraine was given land that was west of and including Bełz that was in Poland. Populations were exchanged.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vistula#Event
     
  8. Borat

    Borat Banned

    Joined:
    May 18, 2011
    Messages:
    23,909
    Likes Received:
    9,859
    Trophy Points:
    113
    nope, we are talking about Russia.

    We have 100 threads a day about the US but this one is about Russia which h has proven once again beyond any doubt that it's a major threat to global security... Whether the US is or isn't has nothing to do with the obvious conclusion about Russia, which you can't even deny, other than the feeble look over there obfuscation attempt.
     
  9. Consulting PBH

    Consulting PBH Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2014
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    US DOD budget is more than the next 13 countries; China, Russia, UK, France, Japan, India, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Brazil, Italy, South Korea, Australia and Canada. Which country is acting more like the defunct Soviet Union: US or Russia?
    The US would be better served by focusing on problems here and leave the policing of the world to others... maybe Lichtenstein?
    Been there done that; Udorn Thailand w/Tony Poe Air America, SAD/SOG, asset extraction Laos.
     

Share This Page