Saudi Press: U.S. Blew Up World Trade Center To Create ‘War On Terror’

Not that it would be in the redacted pages anyway, but it would not surprise me that along with the Saudi royal family, if it was disclosed that the US government were also aware that the planes were going to be hijacked - The US government just were not aware that the plan was to crash the planes. A few dead pilots and dead cabin crew would have been enough for them to pursue their "war on terror"

 

But the 15 Saudi hijackers DID have a nationality.

 

If I am the one saying it then please quote me. It's easy.

Again, I said I never mentioned Saudi Arabia in the post in question, not that I never mentioned Saudi Arabia anywhere else. You are expected, as an adult, to use the quote and then respond to the words in that quote. If you are only going to respond only to what you 'think' I said then there is no debate.

 

All good points. Of course the Black Church in the US is very politically powerful but intelligent people never demonize them as "The Religious Left". That was true even when Barrack Obama and Rev. Wright were in the news regarding the demonization of America..

 

OBL and the Taliban are Deobandi.. and OBL, like Muhammed Atta, followed Hassan al Banna... MB has been outlawed in KSA since King Faisel circa 1970.

In 1994 KSA revoked OBL's citizenship and declared AQ a terrorist group.

Most of the parrots who talk about "Wahhabi" are ignorant of what Wahhabi is about.. its just a word that caught on with the Western media after 9-11.

Saudi Arabia had nothing to gain by 9-11.. The attack was intended to drive a wedge between the US and Saudi Arabia and to incite fear and loathing about Muslims in general.. and with some Americans that has been successful.

However, the more you know the less likely you are to play into the hands of the terrorists.

 

There might have been something in what you say had there not been previous Islamic attacks prior to 9/11 and numerous attacks on civilian populations since then. There has always been some loathing of Muslims anyway because of their treatment of women, gays, etc. though they were also noted for their hospitality in some areas of the world as well.
I notice that many make excuses for Muslim behavior, as though they were a put upon minority group but this particular religion, being forced upon its people, has never contributed much to the lives of its followers. It's all been a very huge negative in the world and always has been. It certainly gives a Muslim male more power though, and of course its leaders, so I can see why many of them would enjoy supporting these crude and backward beliefs.

 

Few Americans have lived in the Arab world so they believe anything.

However there are 40,000 Americans living in Arabia.. and Americans have lived and worked there since the 1940s.. Ask them about Wahhabis.....

 

Yes, I'll be sure to do that. In fact though there are a great many more than 40,000. There are 80,000 in Israel alone. http://xpatnation.com/how-many-amer...he-middle-east-and-what-are-they-doing-there/

 

Are those Americans in Israel dual citizens?

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Counterterrorism focuses on three main areas: security measures aimed at terrorists, financial controls designed to disrupt their funding, and efforts to end radicalization in mosques, schools and other public forums and spaces. The report is 104 pages long, and outlines how fighting terrorism is not only a national interest, it is a national priority.

http://sustg.com/comprehensive-docu...counterterrorism-strategy-successes-released/

 

Not surprised. The US government has never regretted ordinary Americans. For example, American idol, Abraham Lincoln, because of political ambitions destroyed 650 thousand ordinary Americans. And this is only the direct losses. Or the US government is not thinking can kill 261 American military sailor for the start of the war with Spain. I mean burst US armored cruiser "Maine" in Havana, which was used as a pretext for war. (Very similar to the 9-11. Is not it?)
The US government has always spits on ordinary Americans. Remember how destroyed farmers in the US in the 30s? ("Defarming")....Therefore there is nothing surprising in the another crime of the US government against its own people.

 

Who cares if the Saud Gov't brands a renegade a terrorist. It's called politics.

This does not change the fact that the extremist ideology practiced by Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, Salafi, ISIS, Taliban, Boko Haram and Pakistani extremists is rooted is based on Wahhabi ideology.

That the Saud Gov't declared OBL a terrorist does not change the fact that the majority of the 911 terrorists were Saudi, and that the majority of OBL's funding came from Saudi donors.

It is you that seems most ignorant about what Saudi Wahhabism is about. Also, what wahhabism was (200 years ago) and what it has become as per Saud Wahhabi doctrine are two different things. Saudi Children are taught a hateful and extremist ideology in school.

Excerpts from Saudi textbooks:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/etc/textbooks.html

These are just a couple examples. The Saud textbooks are filled with hate and xenophobia.

There documentaries out there (done by Saudi's inside SA) detailing the outrageous totalitarianism, oppression and lack of freedom under Saudi Rule.

They have religious police everywhere monitoring behavior. It is about as Orwellian as it gets.

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/interviews/ahmed.html

 

I agree with you on most things but I have never accepted Washington's story. I think there was a tremendous amount to be gained by Bush's handlers at the time. There were many interests to be served, unfinished business in Iraq, global oil economics, neoconservative (Israeli) pipe dreams for Middle East hegemony; you name it. Too many good things coming together at the same time for Washington not to have had a hand in 9/11. Reagan once told North and Poindexter to "do what you have to do, just don't tell me about it." I think something like that happened between Washington and bin Laden.

 

How could anyone belive that the Bush administration would do such a wicked thing? Next thing you will be telling me that six million Jews were exterminated in Nazi concentartion camps!!!

 

Irrelevant.

 

Actually I know Wahhabis quite well. I lived around them for two decades.. They tend to be peaceful and conservative.. quite tolerant and friendly towards Americans.. Al Wahab was about was simplifying Islam and getting rid of Ottoman innovations and the Ottomans.

I co-wrote a book that is used in Saudi schools about friendships between Saudi children and American children and I have visited a few Saudi schools and libraries.. What is your experience?

 

Quote you? Look at your damn post kid! You are the one who said that Saudi Arabia has is the face of 9/11 because they have the same religion as a group of radical terrorists. Well so do 1.5 billon other humans on the planet. So yeah. You fail.

Wait what? You think that because you post another comment that your first comment now becomes completely irrelevant or unrelated? Ummmm... How absolutely retarded is that? No. Seriously. That's freaking stupid kid. Not to mention the fact that the entire topic of the conversation we've been having, in fact the entire topic of the thread we are on IS SAUDI ARABIA!!! Right now it's obvious what you are doing. You made a stupid comment but don't want to be a man and own up to it so you are trying to save face. It's not working.

And if you really want me to bust your balls, so be it. You say that in the post in question you never once mentioned Saudi Arabia? Oh yeah? Look at your first sentence.

"But THEY have the same religion." Who is the 'they' that you were referring to??? Ohhhhhh. Did I just blow you the hell away?

 

Nooooooo, that would be I mentioning Saudi Arabia, not Fred.

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Pull your head out. You are attributing my comments to Fred

 

Ya see, if you were only allowing it to happen, and if you believe it was for the greater good, your consciences are clean. hehe

 

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[2]

At the time of the proposal, communists led by Fidel Castro had recently taken power in Cuba. The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts that would actually be perpetrated by the US Government.[3] To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various US military and civilian targets. The operation recommended developing a "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Saddam was a powerful undesirable. We needed a good reason to get rid of him or anyone in middle east. War on terror. Gaddafi came second. I remeber how that there was news reports of Gaddafi bombing Tripoli when French and Russian news reporters were there. No evidence of bombing to been seen. What they showed instead was masses of people holding Gaddafi signs and Chanting his name. But fake bombing claims is nothing new. We tried to do the same thing in Syria. We have been planning a rebellion there since 2006. Look at the report of bombing of 5 hospitals that didn't exist. Using old footage taken days before any airstrikes taking place, claiming that Russia killed civians.

We tried to get Assad by blaming him for chemical attackso on civilians. Too bad investigation showed that the victims were members of regime and not the rebels. They concluded that it was likely the rebels who used the the chems.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/

Syrian rebels' Damascus chemical cache found by Assad army - State TV

wasn't the Chems our main excuse for intervention that gave "rebels" control 70% of Syria?

ISIS launches chemical weapons attack on Syria’s airbase in Deir Ez-zor – report

Just like our excuse of finding WMD in Iraq. Just like the fake bombing of Tripoli.

When Russia helped Assad, the situation in Ukraine happened. Then we used that as an excuse to impose sanctions on Russia in order to make it back off. That didnt work. Then they used sanctions to leverage Syria. That didn't work.

Now we have activated the missile shield near Russian border and deployed troops on the border, trying to peddle russia of as some enemy.

I can only hope that Trump put an end to these mad schemes

 

You are exactly correct Margot.

They chose Saudi members very carefully to fly the aircraft as they KNEW there would be a backlash.

AA

 

Ummmmm.... Look at the posts my posts were quoting. I WAS talking to Fred. Not you. Lol.

The only time Iv spoken to you or quoted you is where I said "irrelevant." That's it.

 

Spare me. This is such abject nonsense on your part it is painful. Of course there are tolerant and friendly Wahhabi.. just like there are tolerant and friendly Russians and Chinese. Of course Saud wants to put on a good face to the outside world.

ZERO of what you have said counters or addresses anything I have stated in relation to the spread of extremist Wahhabism or addresses the comments made by Ali Al Ahmed - "A Shi'a Muslim who grew up in Saudi Arabia, he is the executive director of the Saudi Institute, an independent human rights watchdog group based in McLean, Va. In this interview, he describes the conservative religious education all children in Saudi Arabia receive, which is dictated by the conservative Wahhabi religious clerics. He believes that the doctrines of intolerance and hate that are part of the compulsory Saudi religious education contributed to the attitude of Osama bin Laden and the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. This interview was conducted on Nov. 9, 2001"

Numerous posters have provided you all kinds of factual and legitimate information on this topic and you continue to ignore this information to stick head in the sands of denial. When you are not doing that you are talking fallacious jibberish. (Ad Hom in this case which is particularly nonsensical given where I grew up has nothing to do with where the source you are trying to demonize grew up)

 

I did suggest you first pull your head out. Here is your post again-

And clicking on your link takes us to MY post-

 

Shia frequently trash Saudi Arabia except for those who live and work in KSA successfully.

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"Eagerly volunteered"? LOLOL. You're a hot mess.