The "premise" of BLM

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  1. Checkerboard Strangler

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    So from now on all STOP signs are required to read "YOU STOP" because people might misinterpret the meaning of the sign?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You can call it a cow, for all I care. In fact, you called it "culture". Culture is part of the social structure within the system. So if you can argue that there is something that is not part of the system, then you agree (or should, unless you deny what you are seeing with your own eyes) with me that it's the only thing TO see.

    I am not the topic of this thread. If you have anything that accounts for the difference that is not systemic, then tell us what it is. If not, then my job is done.

    Who cares! They tell us that the basic premise of BLM, which IS about numbers, is accurate.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes... they are on the payroll of George Soros and are planning an invasion from Andromeda using the nanobots that Bill Gates put in the Covid vaccines. I know... But don't tell anybody. It will ruin the surprise.
     
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    Yep! Because the world is binary. Just like they teach you in Fox.
     
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    Don't recall where I read it, but the argument went something like this: how we respond to a transgression says something about what people think of that transgression. It didn't really matter what race YOU are if accused of killing someone but the race of the person killed. The convicted had (have?) a much graver likelihood of facing the death penalty if the victim is white rather than black. Carrying out a death penalty in the USA today is so rare as to make today's stats a bit suspect: too small a pool to count but this does seem like food for thought.
     
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    My point has long since been made, and I am bored with your antics. I have no need to continue.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sure. And I said it a long time ago in this thread. The one thing you failed to understand is that what you describe is systemic racism as defined by Critical Race Theory. Your failure to point out WHAT in your "point" is not systemic demonstrates it.
     
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    Stop humping my leg. Go on....Git!
     
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    NOBODY denies that blacks are only 13% of the population but are 26% of the victims of police killings. NOT BLM's point.

    NONSENSE. BLM's point is basic CRT applied to the above racial disparity. The starting assumption that ANY racial disparity that disfavors blacks is by CRT definition, "systemic racism". The rates are disproportionate because of racism. No other cause is even considered. Give a math class of 30 kids a test, and the black students score 20% lower than the whites, CRT would define that as a result of systemic racism against blacks. So math tests are considered systemic racism.
    It all really is absurd. Propaganda intended to create racial discord. To pit the oppressors and the oppressed. To bring about the neo marxist, cultural revolution.
    Patrise Cullors, founder of BLM is on -

    The video shows Cullors at an event touting "The 7 Components of Transformative Organizing Theory" by communist sympathizer Eric Mann. During her talk, Cullors discusses how she agreed with a man who purportedly said Mann's work reminded him of Mao's "Little Red Book."
    BLM co-founder promotes book she cheerfully compares to Mao's 'Little Red Book' in unearthed video | Fox News

    BLM is an attempt at a cultural revolution spawned by BS propaganda. In Minnesota where George Floyd was killed blacks are only 10% of the population and they make up 75% of the known murderers. THATS why blacks are 26% of the victims of police killings but only 13% of the population. They are more involved in crime.
     
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    I suspect he is disputing the claim of "racism" and not "systemic".
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    No, BLM has a strong definition.

    It is that black lives matter.

    Here, your whole argument is that black lives DON'T matter - because you see them as guilty due to their skin color at birth.

    Nowhere in our law do we allow punishment of a group based on group characteristics where the crimes were committed by individuals.
     
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    BLM, CRT in general is not concerned with the "why". They simply affix the label of "systemic racism" to ANY racial disparity that disfavors blacks. They dont care why blacks dont score as well on math tests and only know that it is by definition systemic racism.
     
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    CRT is about history.

    BLM is about the fact that a black life matters just as much as a white life - no matter what white nationalists claim.
     
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    Nonsense. Nobody disputes that blacks are 13% of the population but 26% of the victims of police shootings AND nobody denies that Black Lives Matter. Dont try and reduce their cause to a strawman.

    "In 2014, Mike Brown was murdered by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson. It was a guttural response to be with our people, our family — in support of the brave and courageous community of Ferguson and St. Louis as they were being brutalized by law enforcement, criticized by media, tear gassed, and pepper sprayed night after night. Darnell Moore and Patrisse Cullors organized a national ride during Labor Day weekend that year. ...
    When it was time for us to leave, inspired by our friends in Ferguson, organizers from 18 different cities went back home and developed Black Lives Matter chapters in their communities and towns — broadening the political will and movement building reach catalyzed by the #BlackLivesMatter project and the work on the ground in Ferguson.
    It became clear that we needed to continue organizing and building Black power across the country. People were hungry to galvanize their communities to end state-sanctioned violence against Black people, the way Ferguson organizers and allies were doing. Soon we created the Black Lives Matter Global Network infrastructure. "
    Herstory - Black Lives Matter

    The intent of BLM was to take the Ferguson riots Nation Wide. "the way Ferguson organizers and allies were doing".
     
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    Nonsense. Its a purposeful bastardization of history.

    "Max Horkheimer first defined critical theory (German: Kritische Theorie) in his 1937 essay "Traditional and Critical Theory", as a social theory oriented toward critiquing and changing society as a whole, in contrast to traditional theory oriented only toward understanding or explaining it. Wanting to distinguish critical theory as a radical, emancipatory form of Marxist philosophy,"

    Its an attempt at a cultural revolution to change the future.
     
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    If only we could get white supremacists to say more egalitarian things like all lives matter, of which black people are a subset. The world would be a much better place. Seems like an improvement over "get in the oven!"
     
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    This is a white nationalist positioning.

    The protest you cite was NOT about just that one murder of one black person by police.

    It was about a pattern of disregard for the lives of black people.



    Police can't just keep shooting black kids - as if black lives don't matter.
     
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    What is it then?

    Why?
     
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    CRT can be analyzed on the basis of what it IS.

    And, the idea that it is restricted to what some pre-WWII German was thinking is just plain ridiculous.

    YOU are making excuses.
     
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    The claim of "racism" is what CRT disputes.
     
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    They do. That's my point.

    I think that it's fine to explain what "black lives matter" means to somebody once (maybe there was a misunderstanding). Two times is suspect, but you have to keep an open mind and assume they didn't understand the first time. But THREE times... there is way more involved there than meets the eye.
     
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    I learned a long time ago, that being able to assign a label is no guarantee of understanding. I understand that people are different. There are cultural differences and at the same time there are other differences that have little to nothing to do with culture.

    All too many blacks, especially young black men have a chip on their shoulder which results in them taking actions which are both contrary to the law and good sense. I sincerely believe that people like you contribute to that chip. Your intentions may be good, but it is not working. The lesson you should be promoting is that the world is not out to get them and they need to change their ways. It makes no difference that slavery and prejudice caused this behavior, They have to fix it themselves. We cannot do it for them.
     
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    There is no need to attempt to make a definition that wouldn't apply to the right because they do indeed practice their own form of identity politics. But it is mainly in reaction to the lefts actions/rhetoric. Not all mind you. As my sig notes: "There is ALWAYS exceptions to the rule. So when I talk in what you think of as "generalities" know that 99.9% of the time I am not.".

    Bias =/= racist. ESPECIALLY when it comes to the subconscious. No doubt others would disagree with that statement. It would take a whole book or more to explain what I mean by this and as such I'm not going to on a forum. The best I can do on a forum is summarize. Suffice it to say that while racism may be based off of biases, biases are not necessarily based in racism. About the only ones that are, are learned biases. Which means that they're not implicit. Implicit meaning on the subconscious level, and the instinctual level. Meaning your friend who said that Mexicans can't drive worth a damn learned that from somewhere. Much like the old trope of blondes being dumb is learned and not factual. Sure, it might appear to be "instinctual" for him to say it and therefore appear to be implicit. Even to himself. But it was a learned thing.

    I suppose one would have to define "instinctual" and "subconscious" also in order to understand what I'm talking about. (Like I said, would take a whole book to explain) Instinct is something from the gut. Its based on survival. It can be best described as two words. Hate and good. You flee/fight the things you hate. Love/like the things you believe to be good. Subconscious on the other hand is a mixture of instinct and learned behavior. It has to have both otherwise it would not serve its purpose. Connection between instinct and the conscious mind.

    As I said, you'd need a whole book or more to understand what I'm getting at. So, I'm going to wrap this up with something for you to think about.

    Imagine you're in the woods and see a UFO land. You see a huge ass spider disembark from that UFO. Now imagine the same thing only this time a human like form disembarks with the only variance between humans and that alien is that it has a third eye. What is your reaction in each scenario? Are they both the same reactions? Why do you have those reactions? If the reactions are different, why? Would either reaction be considered racist? If so, is there anything you could actually do about it right at that moment? Or would it take possibly years or even centuries to overcome those reactions? Keep in mind what I said above, as well as humans natural reactions towards known vs unknown vs known dangers vs unknown dangers vs likes/what's good.

    First I should note I have no idea what "IP" means. So until you explain what you mean I'm going to ignore it and just address the rest.

    Next I would note that yes, those things apply to Republican mottos as well. However the examples you gave actually all started out with Democrats or leftists.

    PC, or political correctness, was originally brought about in order to control speech. Its intent was to make it to where certain speech was labeled as "bad". It was pushed as a furtherance, an extension, of being "polite" and considerate of everyone's feelings. Anyone not being PC was labeled as bigots, racist etc etc. It was used to attack Republicans. Why? Because Republican's wouldn't go along with it. They saw it as being against Free Speech. An encroachment of it. While Republicans had, and have, no problem with being polite, they understood that pushing political correctness was just an attempt to control others through words. So they took the phrase and made it into what it is now. A hardly used phrase.

    The same applies with cancel culture and wokeism. They both originated from the left. Both were/are meant to try and control people through words. And Republicans are fighting against them, for much the same reasons. Using the same "attacks" that that worked to make political correctness a hardly used phrase.
     
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    But that was one of the points of the op. It’s not about anecdotes and what people feel. It’s about statistics. The main potential issue is whether confounding factors are adequately accounted for.
     
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    What a heaping load of cow dung......

    BLM is organized race baiting. Their sole purpose is to bilk folks out of money by claiming there is a huge racial issue......when there isn't.

    This so called "premise" of yours assumes that black lives do not matter......who said that?

    The truth is there are social and cultural problems that should be addressed to improve things but the "problem" of racism is largely made up.
     

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