Trump passes no insurance for abortions.

The reality is that health insurance providers did the math and figured out that it was CHEAPER to provide "free" contraception than it was to cover the costs associated with pregnancy and child birth. Those cost savings were SUPPOSED to bring down the cost of healthcare but instead they handed out to shareholders and bonuses to executives.

 

That is BS because no one in government makes those decisions under the ACA.

 

So a prescribed medication is now equal to toilet paper?

 

A) The govt does not provide health care in this country. You DO realize ACA isn’t a health care provider nor an insurance provider, right?
B) If, as you say, your friend was denied life saving care, it was because the private health insurer denied care and not the govt.
You really don’t know how ACA works at all.

 

Exactly. He’s just making crap up to fit his agenda.

 

There are no good choices here but I come down on the side of the unborn and the teen age mother. Abortion is a life changing event, even for an adult. How is a parent's conversation about contraception irrelevant? I can well imagine such a conversation taking place after an unintentional pregnancy. So if a parent shouldn't force their child to carry a child to term, what should they do?

 

you do not come down on the side of the teen mother - as it depends on the situation - one that is not for you to decide what is write and wrong - in all situations with the stroke of a pen.

It depends on the child - the situation .. If my 14 yr old daughter came home in tears and told me that she had been date raped - but that the fellow used a condom - and so it is unknown - first thing I do - after the police encounter - is get her an abortion pill.

Who are you to tell me otherwise - and if you support stringent anti abortion legislation - that is what you are doing.

Now to the case where it was not rape - my decision is the same.

You are correct that abortion is a life changing event - but nowhere near the change that come with the decision to have a child.

It is an individual decision - one the state should not be involved in - and especially not in the early stages of pregnancy ... a time when no "Unborn" exists - Unborn What ? Human .... What a bunch of BS this term is.

Prove the single human cell at conception is " A Human" - as in the Noun - prior to using this ridiculous and fallacious terminology.

 

Does this mean that people who are on birth control are “sluts” who violate sexual harassment policies at work, and be fired as such?

 

Murdering an unborn child?

 

But that is exactly what they want to do and the ACA was designed to promote that.

Private healthcare providers were once regulated by the government, this should have continued under the ACA, it did not.

Do you? Does anyone? What I do know is the ACA doesn't work at all. It was a solution looking for a problem for political purposes, a fix for something that wasn't broken and it destroyed a highly organized, highly effective healthcare system.

In September 2009, President Obama said the bill was needed because 30 million were uninsured. Today, there are 29 million uninsured. While the population has grown, that is a pathetic result of taking away choice and raising costs substantially.In 2010, when the CBO was doing its projections on Obamacare, it said 24 million would purchase through the exchanges by 2021. In 2018, only around 12 million had purchased through the exchanges. Why does anyone trust the CBO when it is frequently so far off?Jonathan Gruber admitted that the Obama administration lied to the public to get Obamacare passed. We know of Obama's continuous lies that you can keep your plan, that you can keep your doctor, and that premiums will go down substantially. We know that Pelosi told her minions in the House that they must pass the bill to see what was in it. Gruber said it is the American people who are stupid. Wasn't it the CBO, journalists, and Democrats in Congress who were stupid (or who didn't really care what the costs and results would be)? Not one aspect of the bill would reduce costs, yet that is the lie that was foisted on the public by the complicit media.

Democrats are pushing Medicare for All, but look how they were willing to cut the already broke Medicare to pretend to pay for Obamacare.
Obamacare cut $716 billion from Medicare in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending, through the law's expansion of Medicaid and its new subsidized exchanges.Not only did they transfer over $716 billion from Obamacare, but in 2012, the Obama administration rewarded hospitals for not readmitting old people. Does anyone trust Democrats who would do this to old people when they say they want this for all of us?

When Obamacare came up short of money, President Obama didn't go to Congress for supplemental appropriations. Nope — that was too hard. He just unconstitutionally stole it. We did not see the media, Pelosi, Schumer, or Susan Collins call Obama a dictator and lecture about the Constitution and separation of powers and the importance of Congress having the power of the purse. They have a cow only when Trump follows the national emergencies law Congress passed in 1976. It is a shame that so many are confused as to which president follows the law and which one didn't care.

Just how far did the Obama administration go to keep its failing signature program afloat? According to a new report from the Government Accountability Office, its Health and Human Services Department broke the law to bail out insurers participating in the health-insurance exchanges established by the Affordable Care Act. In doing so, it took funds meant to protect taxpayers and instead used them to pay off larger-than-expected losses under Obamacare.

 

You sound like a good and thoughtful parent and agree on the incidence of rape. It is obvious that we don't agree on the rest.

 

I was talking about the cost of products. Do you think the government should pay for our toilet paper? If not then why should the taxpayer pay for contraception?

 

According to the Guttmacher Institute:
The average cost for a first trimester abortion is in the US is $508.
The average cost for a second trimester abortion is $1,195.
Later term abortion can cost $3,000 or more.

Do you honestly believe a box of condoms or the morning after pill costs more than these?

How absurd.

 

Because society as a whole is impacted when unwanted children are born then neglected and many people take issue with abortion.

None of these issues present themselves if you cannot wipe your ass.

 

The Religious Wrong will really go nuts if we ever get single-payer, as that would no doubt cover abortions as well. I imagine they'd become tax protesters and, of course, sue the federal government or other entities over it. The Russian trolls would go full bore riling them up and further radicalizing them as well, of course.

 

Now I'm confused. What does the taxpayer have to do with employer provided insurance?

 

Oh!.. you are talking propalectics (sp)!.. not abortion.. sorry.. carry on!

 

1) How is the rape situation any different than the situation where it was not rape ? w/r to the decision of whether or not to stop the process may have begun - what is best for the 14 yr old.

2) Don't zone out on me now - and from your perspective " I am for the Unborn" aka - "Child that doesn't exist but lets pretend it does for arguments sake" how is the child of rape any less worthy of life than the child of a consensual union ?

 

I asked where you got the idea that contraceptives drives up the cost of health insurance premiums? That's the claim you made. What evidence do you have of that?

 

The discussion is about abortion....it is not about murdering a "child"....that is sooo dramatic but totally unscientific and inaccurate.

Adopted any kids yet? ?

 

And apparently he has never heard of the Grievance & Appeals dept of his insurance carrier either.

 

Why should it not?

 

I have to call you out on this one, friend.

Insurance carriers are required to spend no more than 20% of every dollar towards overhead, so excess profits are regulated under the ACA and many carriers, especially in the first few years, gave refunds back to their members. While the implementation of the ACA helped put a brake on runaway premiums, it's just holding the costs back like a dam. This pandemic may finally break everything and we will be forced to seriously consider some form of basic universal health care. That is why this election will be crucial.

 

By keeping health insurance with private insurers? That was one hell of a plan...smh

Why do you believe private healthcare providers aren’t regulated by govt? What is your proof?
You do realize people can now opt out of health insurance since the mandate was done away with, right? People are now gaming the system knowing they can jump onto a plan whenever they need coverage due to no pre-x.

 

Not a fan of promoting preventive care?