Ukraine is the only country in the world where...

It's not a suprise why ukrainians would side with the nazis against russia. Ukraine was occupied by russia, so of course they would try to help russia's enemies.. That's what happens in war, it doesn't mean ukrainians were nazis, stop moralising. The finns also allied with Germany against Russia.. Sweden allowed german troops to move through the country to invade russia... Nothing wrong with any of that, doesn't mean that swedes or finns were nazis, just that they hated russia.

 

Don't take any notice of the loonies, they're just trying to change history!!

 

Now at the American schools teaches it or this consequence of the latest pro-Ukrainian propaganda?

I'm shocked by historical ignorance on this subject.

 

I wouldn't know.. Because I'm not an american.

 

Then comment on the Holodomor, and the secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact which ended with the joint Soviet-Nazi invasion of Poland and Katskyn Massacre.

 

The Ukraine and Poland have set borders to the Yalta agreement violated by Stalin you Russian (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

S T F U liar:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Credit_Agreement_(1939)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Commercial_Agreement_(1940)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Border_and_Commercial_Agreement

 

Let's decide on terms for a start. You understand, than the Holodomor differs from starvation?

 

Yes it was intentional based on the Marxist-Engels principle that only a revolution based on terror and murder could succeed. Lenin and the Bolsheviks would pick up on that one early on.

And now actual history, the Soviet Union never "liberated" any nation, they conquered them the same as the Nazi's if you will recall Stalin and Hitler were military allies until 1941 under the secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in which Hitler and Stalin divided Eastern Europe between themselves culminating in the joint Soviet-Reich invasion of 1939 sparking WW2, Stalin was an open Hitler collaborator and ally even supplying him with wheat and fuel to feed the Reich's war machine against Western Europe. Stalin simply finished where the National Socialists had stopped. Every single one of the regimes of the Eastern Bloc were Soviet installed Moscow puppet occupation governments along the lines of Vichy France, the only exception to this rule was Yugoslavia which resulted in the Tito split with and expulsion from the Cominform, the only reason why this did not result in Soviet interventions is because Yugoslavia had achieved liberation from the Nazi's without Soviet military invasion and occupation, but as for Hungary and Czechoslovakia dissent from the Moscow line resulted in immediate military intervention. The assertion, that the crimes of puppet regimes ruled by the Communist party which was based in an internationalist ideology (more accurately anti-nationalist ideology) are not to be attributed to the puppet master, is simply not a tenable one. The Eastern Bloc was not some independent confederation of nations who had forged military and economic relations with the Soviet Union while still maintaining independence from the Soviet Union at the national level (even a nominal one) they were occupation governments installed by the Soviet Union, maintained through Soviet military force, and which implemented Soviet policy directed from the Kremlin.

The assertion that the Soviets wished to "liberate" rather than conquer anyone is laughable nonsense not worthy of serious consideration. This can be seen, also, in the Soviet reaction to the Warsaw uprising in which not only did the Soviets refuse to intervene to aid the insurgency with Soviet tanks and infantry sitting and watching them being slaughtered because Stalin didn't want an independent Poland led by the Polish government in exile but he even refused to allow allied planes to refuel in the territory of the Soviet Union which prevented them from airdropping weapons and food to the partisans condemning tens of thousands of Poles to death by starvation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising

And let us not forget the Katyn massacre of Poles during the Soviet-Reich joint invasion of Poland:

The Katyn massacre, also known as the Katyn Forest massacre (Polish: zbrodnia katyńska, mord katyński, 'Katyń crime'; Russian: Катынский расстрел Katynskij ra'sstrel 'Katyn shooting'), was a mass execution of Polish nationals carried out by the People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD), the Soviet secret police, in April and May 1940. The massacre was prompted by NKVD chief Lavrentiy Beria's proposal to execute all captive members of the Polish Officer Corps, dated 5 March 1940. This official document was approved and signed by the Soviet Politburo, including its leader, Joseph Stalin. The number of victims is estimated at about 22,000, with 21,768 being a lower limit.[1] The victims were murdered in the Katyn Forest in Russia, the Kalinin and Kharkiv prisons and elsewhere. Of the total killed, about 8,000 were officers taken prisoner during the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland, another 6,000 were police officers, and the rest were arrested Polish intelligentsia the Soviets deemed to be "intelligence agents, gendarmes, landowners, saboteurs, factory owners, lawyers, officials and priests".[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

 

I have asked you a simple question. And you to me what here for kilobytes of propaganda materials have thrown?

All right, I don't see sense to argue with you. The truth isn't interesting to you, you don't listen to the interlocutor.

 

But I do like this movie:

[video=youtube;HyLMG6krZf8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyLMG6krZf8[/video]

But this one more:

[video=youtube;CGypoXVt31k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGypoXVt31k[/video]

 

"Be not that far from me, for trouble is near; haste Thee to help me. Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight. My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust; who subdueth my people under me. O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me."

 

At least they may still be alive to ask.
As opposed to ash in some Ukrainian oven.
Look up the holocaust mate.
Look it up.

Then choose your ally.

 

Lets better to talk about München agreement, which was much earlier than Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. And do not make from Poland a victim. They invaded themselves Chekhoslovakia in 1938.

 

The so-called "holodomor" is an invention of the US anti-Soviet propaganda. They used the fact of big starvation in USSR in 30s for their political propaganda. The policy of collectivization in USSR, when the private farms and private property of land were abolished, and instead all peasunts had to join collective state-owned farms, caused the destruction of agreeculture and an enormous famine which spreaded over North Caucasus, Volga region, Central Russia, South Ural, Siberia, Ukraine and other territories. Famine, unfortunately, was quite often in Russian empire - due to a backward agreecultural economy, but the famine of 30s was the most bitter as it was aggravated by wrong political decisions of Soviet government. The definition "holodomor" appeared in the USA where after WWII many Ukrainians - Nazi collaborators - have founded a shelter, and where all these people under the aegis of the US state bodies, created the myth about "genocide of Ukrainians" pointing out that the famine of 30s was ostensibly against only Ukrainians and Russians didn't suffer. Of course, that's not true. It's the same as if you would start to claim that the Spanish flu was a genocide - let's say - of Spaniards, what is completely ridiculous idea. Anyway the US propaganda bodies spent the last twenty years to create this myth, to promote it first in Ukraine, then in the international organizations, and they have some success.

 

Everything negative about russia/ussr is just western propaganda isn't it?...

 

Russian uses sporadic delinquencies (such as some neo-nazi violations) for Ukraine defamation.
But Russia has own neo-nazi, supported by Putin`s authority:

92-year-old veteran was beated by medical staff in Russian Hospital

Russian neo-nazi rally in Moscow:
[video=youtube;nmGP4jjBp1g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGP4jjBp1g[/video]

Neo-Nazis on the March in Moscow: 'We Russians Are Part of the White Race'

 

The Nazi's obviously wouldn't return the love of these Ukrainian fascists. Ukrainians should do some reading about Generalplan Ost. Some of them seem unaware that they are embracing an ideology that could have exterminated their entire family line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

 

Russian Neo-Nazis chant "sieg heil" in Moscow during a demonstration to celebrate Hitler's birthday. Russia is experiencing a surge of extremism, sometimes resulting in violent attacks on foreigners
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/photography/9052074/Russia-Rising.html?image=9

 

VSilver, please, stop flamebaiting.

This thread is about WWII veterans who suffer of persecution and insults in nowadays Ukraine.

 

Ok, let`s show WWII veterans who suffer of persecution and insults in nowadays neo-nazi Russia in new Thread

 

Time for you to read history.
The Nazi's embraced them. Gave them their own concentration camp to run. The people they put in the ovens, were the ethnic Jews and Russians.

These people were Nazi's. Genuine full on Nazi's. The real thing. SS regiments and genocide in the name of Hitler.
Not wannabe's or neo Nazi's. Nazi's. Members of Hitler's Nazi party.

 

Oh, so when some on adds in the parts you have selectively left out, it's flame baiting. But when you selectively post part of the story it isn't. That isn't intellectually honest.

You and Russophiles like you have slandered Ukrainians, and you are being called out on it. You only want to talk about Ukrainian Nazi's while ignoring the fact that they are a minority and that other countries have similar Nazi Parties, including your beloved Mother Russia. The difference being the national socialist is ruling the country. The national socialist (i.e. Nazi), Mother Putina, has reenacted the Nazi playbook, even going so far as to as to invade neighboring countries and using the same excuses Nazi's did in the days before WWII.

It should be noted, that your beloved Mother Russia (i.e. The Soviet Union) was allied with Nazi Germany right up until the moment Nazi Germany betrayed Mother Russia and invaded her...and you want to pick on Ukraine? The fact is Ukraine, unlike Mother Russia, isn't run by Nazis. The Ukrainian Nazi movement has always been an anti-Russian nationalist movement and that is why Mother Russia likes to categorize all Ukrainians as Nazis.

Ukraine hasn't invaded its neighbors as Mother Russia has repeatedly done. Ukraine hasn't illegally occupied and annexed the lands of its neighbors as has your beloved Mother Russia.

 

I have to question if these Russophiles aren't paid state agents. Putina has a very extensive propaganda machine.

 

Aha, so Russophiles are paid by Putin. Then tell me, who does pay you? White House? Or maybe Poroshenko?