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  1. vis

    vis Well-Known Member

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    O yes yes, Africa. You make me laugh. Compared to the battles that were in Europe Africa was just a holiday for US and British soldiers. There were about 400000 military people from Germany+Italy in Africa and about 3.5 million people from Germany and allies on the East Front. And even that was more than after one year of heavy battles in Europe. Your comparison is rediculous.
    And your talking about charity of western leaders is nonsense. Everyone was selfish and did only what was suitable for his own country.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

    USA didn't have to invade France. We chose to, putting a lot of lives at risk.

    Continental USA was a fortrece and we could have simply built a blockade to prevent a Nazi attack on the USA mainland.

    instead we spent a lot of men, money, and resources to help Europe.
     
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    vis Well-Known Member

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    What you write is a BS. US and UK were asked many times to help USSR and open the second front in France, but they refused to do it until realized that USSR moving too much fast to the west. Nazis planned to attack USA mainland? Where did you hear this? In UFO forum? US and UK intervened in Europe only when they found it suitable for them. If you do not realize that politics implies own interests in first place then it is your problem.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i never said that.

    don't lie about my comments.
     
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    vis Well-Known Member

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    Eh? Is it not from your post? :"we could have simply built a blockade to prevent a Nazi attack on the USA mainland." :grin: Ronstar, what are you smoking if you forget what you have just said? :grin:
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you're lying again.

    I never said the Nazis were planning an attack on the USA.

    I said that the USA could have chosen to simply protect the USA from a Nazi attack.

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    ...but yes, there were Nazi plans to attack the USA

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pastorius
     
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    You confuse yourself. When you say that USA "could have chosen to simply protect the USA from a Nazi attack" it means that Nazi planned an attack. Is that not obvious for you? Anyhow, my initial statement that all good politicians do what is most profitable in first instanse for their own countries. If they do not do that- they are bad politicians.
     
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    you fail logic 101.

    but yes, there were Nazi attacks on the USA. Just no planned invasion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pastorius

    but we simply could have just protected the USA from U-Boat attacks, rather than save Europe and help the Soviets.

    sounds like you wish USA/UK didn't create a western front. Had we not, Nazis would have easily defeated Soviet boys.
     
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    So here we come- US and UK acted in their own interests- ie were selfish. No, I wished that USA/UK created a second front not in 1944, but in 1942 or better in 1941. If the second front was not opened in 1944, Nazis were still defeated, only later. If you do not know, the war for Nazis was lost after Stalingrad battle in February 1943, thanks to Soviet Army.
     
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    i wish that the Soviets didn't make a friendship deal with the Nazis in 1939.
     
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    Do you want to say that if Soviets did not make a friendship deal with Nazis in 1939, Germany did not start WW2?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what a strange comment.

    Kremlin must be getting bored
     
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    Was it? It wasn't self preservation which caused the Russians (i.e. Soviets) to ally themselves with Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany and Mother Russia were not that different. They were both ruled by autocratic monsters. Hitler killed millions of Germans. Staling killed millions of Russians. There really isn't that much difference between the two.

    Clearly, Hitler didn't respect Stalin. Hitler thought Mother Russia was an easy target in his quest for global domination given Stalin's many purges. And he was almost correct, had he planned out his invasion a little better, he would have been successful. But he didn't.

    Washington doesn't need an excuse, because it isn't supplying arms to terrorists. Here is the thing, Mother Russia views anyone who disagrees with Mother Putina or opposes Mother Putina is a terrorist. And that simply isn't the case. Syrian dissidents aren't terrorists. They are just dissidents who rebelled against a tyrant, a Mother Putina ally, who has and continues to slaughter and gas Syrians.

    And just because Ukrainians want their independence and have rejected Mother Russia's enforced corruption, invasion, occupation and annexation of their lands, it doesn't make them Nazis. It just makes them good people. Unfortunately for you and your beloved Mother Russia facts and reason do matter.
     
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    It is not a comment. It is a question that you did not answer.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    its a very strange question.

    not sure if it deserves a response.
     
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    It is a very natural question. What is strange about it?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    its not a natural question.
     
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    You are very strange today :grin:
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lay off the personal attacks
     
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    Indeed, you are very strange :grin:
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    stop trolling
     
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    I am not trolling :grin: Do you hear the voices that tell you that I am trolling? :grin: Go and take a glass of wine, and relax.
     
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    Everyone trolls it is online.

    But few good at it.

    Always remember you are god among insects on this forum.
     
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    If you consider kicking Germanys ass in WW1 and WW2 Genocide, then Yes!
     

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