Ukraine is the only country in the world where...

Pure nonsense.

 

why? cause is destroys your myth that the Soviet soldiers were all loving heroes?

 

Your words, do you need to reread my prior post?

I'm not glorifying anything. I'm just pointing out the truth to you, the truth you keep trying to evade. The truth is your beloved Mother Russia (i.e. Soviet Union) was allied with Nazi Germany. That's a very clear and simple fact. It doesn't matter how you look at it. It is a fact, and you have been repeatedly shown the evidence to verify that fact.

The US, and the UK were never allied with Nazi Germany and neither was France until after Nazi troops invaded and occupied France. Unfortunately for you comrade, facts do matter. You just don't want to acknowledge them. I get it, you are not use to facts. In your beloved Mother Russia facts are whatever the state says they are. That's not how it works in the civilized world. In the civilized world, the facts are whatever they are, regardless of what the state says they are. In the civilized world facts are borne out by evidence, and not by state propaganda.

 

The Belorussian and Ukranian fronts took part in Berlin operation. I doubt that most of the people there were Lithuanians.
At least the flag over Reichstag was placed by Ukranian Alexey Berest, Russian Mikhail Egorov and Georgian Meliton Kantaria.

 

No, it's a well known and documented fact.

 

You are hypocrit. While stating that USSR was an ally of Germany, at the same time reject that US, UK and France were allies of Germany. Or simply do not know the history. Here are the facts. Educate yourself:
Facts that UK and France were allies with Germany:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
"A deal was reached on 29 September, and at about 1:30 am on 30 September 1938,[27] Adolf Hitler, Neville Chamberlain, Benito Mussolini and Édouard Daladier signed the Munich Agreement." A deal about Chezhoslovakia.
Here are facts about US being Nazi ally:
Large American banks – and George W. Bush’s grandfather – financed the Nazis.

American manufacturing companies were big supporters of the Nazis. here are 6 historical examples …

(1) IBM. CNET reports:

IBM has responded to questions about its relationship with the Nazis largely by characterizing the information as old news.

“The fact that Hollerith equipment manufactured by (IBM’s German unit) Dehomag was used by the Nazi administration has long been known and is not new information,” IBM representative Carol Makovich wrote in an e-mail interview. “This information was published in 1997 in the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing and in 1998 in Washington Jewish Week.”

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IBM also defended Chairman Thomas Watson for his dealings with Hitler and his regime.

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On September 13, 1939, The New York Times reports on Page 1 that 3 million Jews are going to be “immediately removed” from Poland, and they appear to be candidates for “physical extermination.” On September 9, the German managers of IBM Berlin send a letter to Thomas Watson with copy to staff in Geneva via phone that, due to the “situation,” they need high-speed alphabetizing equipment. IBM wanted no paper trail, so an oral agreement was made, passed from New York to Geneva to Berlin, and those alphabetizers were approved by Watson, personally, before the end of the month.

That month he also approved the opening of a new Europe-wide school for Hollerith technicians in Berlin. And at the same time he authorized a new German-based subsidiary in occupied Poland, with a printing plant across the street from the Warsaw Ghetto at 6 Rymarska Street. It produced some 15 million punch cards at that location, the major client of which was the railroad.

We have a similar example involving Romania in 1941, and The Sunday Times has actually placed the IBM documents up on their Web site…. When Nazi Germany went into France, IBM built two new factories to supply the Nazi war machine. This is the 1941-’42 era, in Vichy, France, which was technically neutral. When Germany invaded Holland in May 1940, IBM rushed a brand-new subsidiary into occupied Holland. And it even sent 132 million punch cards in 1941, mainly from New York, to support the Nazi activity there. Holland had the highest rate of Jewish extermination in all of Europe; 72 percent of Jews were killed in Holland, compared to 24 percent in France, where the machines did not operate successfully.

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When Hitler came to power in 1933, his desire to destroy European Jewry was so ambitious an enterprise, it required the resources of a computer. But in 1933 no computer existed. What did exist was the Hollerith punch-card system. It was invented by a German-American in Buffalo, New York, for the Census Bureau. This punch-card system could store all the information about individuals, places, products, inventories, schedules, in the holes that were punched or not punched in columns and rows.

The Hollerith system reduced everything to number code. Over time, the IBM alphabetizers could convert this code to alphabetical information. IBM made constant improvements for their Nazi clients.
(2) Standard Oil. The Nazi air force – the Luftwaffe – needed tetraethyl lead gas in order to get their planes off the ground. Standard Oil sold tetraethyl to the Nazis.

After WWII began, the English became angry about U.S. shipments of strategic materials to Nazi Germany. So Standard changed the registration of their entire fleet to Panamanian to avoid British search or seizure. These ships continued to carry oil to the Nazis.

(3) Ford. Ford made cars for the Nazis. Wikipedia notes:

Ford continued to do business with Nazi Germany, including the manufacture of war materiel. Beginning in 1940, with the requisitioning of between 100 and 200 French POWs to work as slave laborers, Ford-Werke contravened Article 31 of the 1929 Geneva Convention. At that time, which was before the U.S. entered the War and still had full diplomatic relations with Nazi Germany, Ford-Werke was under the control of the Ford Motor Company. The number of slave laborers grew as the war expanded ….

General Electric owned the factory Opel that made military products.
And many many other facts.
Americans invested in Nazi Germany huge amount of resources and money.

So propaganda is what you are doing here.

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Provide the proof of mass scale rape. Otherwise- nonsense.

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Provide the proof of mass scale rape. Otherwise- nonsense.

 

Because there are no solid proofs like that were presened in Nuernberg tribunal- photographs, cinema chronics etc. Word statements of several people is not an evidence to claim that it was a mass phenomena.

 

LOL...unfortunately for you comrade, facts are facts, and I do know history.

The Munich Agreement wasn't an alliance. It was a promise from Hitler that he wouldn't invade, occupy, and annex any further lands. That's not an alliance comrade. That isn't an agreement anywhere remotely similar to the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact which was in every respect an alliance. Furthermore, the US wasn't in any way involved in the agreement. Unfortunately for you comrade, I do know my history.

No, what I'm "doing here" is attempting to bring some honesty to this discussion. Coming from Mother Russia, this might be a difficult concept for you, but in America there is a difference between individual companies and the US government. They are not the same. American companies did do business with Nazi Germany, but your assertion that American companies were somehow knowledgeable and complicit in Nazi crimes is certainly disputable. If they were proven to be true, the perpetrators would have been prosecuted. Ford argued that its European manufacturing facility was taken over by the Nazis and had little if any control over the facility during the period in question. Similarly, IBM had facilities in German which were takeover by Nazis, and allegations of wrong doing have been made. But that doesn't make them true comrade. And in any case, American companies are not the American government.

Sure, it's not that difficult.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany

 

München agreement was about division of Chekhoslovakia. Only allies could make such an agreement. Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a peace treaty. In this case I can also claim that peace treaty is a neccessary but not sufficient condition to be allies.
American companies supported Nazi Germany, so did US government. Otherwise, US government would find the ways to forbid to make business with Germany. And sure there was an industrial lobby in the government of the US which made a business with Nazies easier. For example, as the now- anyone who goes against sanctions against Russia is banned on the West.
As for the link- the references that are present there- most of them are publications from the newspapers. This is not serious. And lots of historians do not agree with the statements from this link. Of course, violences took place, but it is not proved that it was on a mass scale. What is interesting, some western authors claim that rapes done by americans and british soldiers- are not rapes but just the cases of prostitution. And the real rapes came from Soviet Solders. What a BS! Typical hypocricy approach.

 

Soviets made a friendship deal with the Nazis.

 

Yes, and? This was a right decision. That allowed to postpone a war for USSR itself. And that was a purpose of Stalin.

 

it was the right decision, for Poland?

for Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, Romania?

no, for them it was a stab in the back.

 

Why for Poland? For USSR of course. In politics normally they make decisions that are good only for their own countries.

 

selfish tyrants

 

To be selfish in politics- is a right thing. If not a peace treaty, who knows, maybe then Hitler attacked USSR immediately after he took Poland. For Soviet Union it would have been a disaster and the outcome of the WW2 could be then quite different.

 

Hitler would agree

as would Satan

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*)...at the time of the Munich Agreement, Nazi Germany had already invaded Czechoslovakia. Czechoslovakia had already been "divided up". The agreement was the Nazi Germany would not repeat what it had already done. That's not an alliance by any stretch of the imagination. And it wasn't signed by the US. So for you to say otherwise as you have done, is just blatant ignorance or blatant dishonesty.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact wasn't a "peace treaty". In order to have a peace treaty you need a war, and there was no such war...oops. It was a mutual support agreement, and an agreement to invade and carve up Poland which Nazi Germany and Poland subsequently did in rather short order. Within weeks of its signing, both Nazi Germany and your beloved Russia (i.e. Soviet Union) both invaded Poland. It wasn't a peace treaty. It was an alliance. Facts are facts comrade.

As for your assertion the US government somehow was buddy buddy with Nazi's, you have been repeatedly asked to back up your assertion with evidence and you have none. You have made unsupported allegations against 2 American companies who had plants in Nazi Germany and occupied France. But you have absolutely no evidence the US was in anyway supportive of Nazi Germany. Probably because it doesn't exist.

Additionally, many Jews fled to the US from Nazi Germany prior to the war. Albert Einstein was among them. He and others like him would not have fled to the US if the US was in any way supportive of Nazi Germany has you have repeatedly alleged. Unfortunately for you comrade, facts do matter.

And the fact is Russian (i.e. Soviet Union) did conduct mass rapes, the link and sources I provided to document what occurred. Just because you don't want to admit to it, it doesn't mean it didn't occur. Because it did occur. That's why Germans fled to the West during the waning days of the Nazi regime.

 

Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were opposing ideologies, so they could never be friends. But it was a matter of self preservation for Stalin and the Soviet Union since they were next door to Germany. Germany did attack of course, since the whole purpose of the war was to grab land for its large population ..everything else was secondary.

So what's Washington's excuse in supplying arms to terrorists in Syria, Nazis in Ukraine, etc, etc.? Certainly it's not for self preservation ... 

 

(*)(*)(*)(*) you and all your propaganda. You distort historical facts. München agreement was signed 29-30 September, and annexion of Sudet region in Chekhoslovakia happened in October: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occupation_of_Czechoslovakia
Moreover, UK made the treaty about non-agression to each other (similar to one that later had USSR with Germany) on 30th September 1938, before the occupation of Chekhoslovakia. Later the same treaty was made with France. So this was a clear alliance!
Yes, Molotov-Ribbentrop a pact about Non-aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics! War was not necessary to have to make this pact.
US supported Germany with money, with oil, etc. Go and look yourself in the web about connections of US with German Nazi. It is not my business to look every time for you for the links.
As for rapes... This is all propaganda and (*)(*)(*)(*) so go to hell with it.

 

All famous politicians, like Chemberlen, Churchille, Roosevelt, and many others would also agree to that.

 

no man of honor would agree to that

 

Really? Then explain me why did US and UK open the second front in WW2 only in 1944 and not in 1941 or 1942? Pure selfish behaviour!

 

the USA and UK only started fighting the Nazis in 1944?

that is a stupid lie

 

It is not lie- it is a fact. The military forces from UK and US landed in Normady, France less than a year before the fall of Berlin. This is when the second front was opened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings
I am surprised that you do not know this fact.

 

The UK and USA were fighting the Nazis long before D-Day.

Or maybe you think the London Blitz and the submarine battles in the Atlantic was just a game?

The invasion of Sicily didn't happen?

USA and Britain never invaded North Africa in 1943?


sounds like, looks like you only know what you want to know.