Ukraine is the only country in the world where...

Sure, there are Nazis in Russia. But you will hardly find them insuling the veterans of WW2, like it happens now in Ukraine.

 

Oh, and when did I say Russophiles are paid by Putina? You are making stuff up again. Once again for your edification, I said, I have to question if these Russophiles are paid state agents. Do you seriously not know the difference? If not, you should probably take some more English classes comrade.

 

when i was in Kiev it seems that the Ukrainians were trapped in the middle of two oppressors. Kiev had a large and powerful Jewish population as i remember, wealth came from the sugar beet industry. The German invaders massacred the Jews when they arrived.

on the other hand Stalin forced a famine to collectivize the farms. Ukraine had two invaders and no liberators.

 

Oh, so you think Nazi's would celebrate the people who destroyed their idol?

 

Nazi parties are in many countries, but only in Ukraine nazis afford to intimidate and humiliate WWII veterans on Victory Day.
There are photos and videos above which prove that.

It should be noted you should learn history a bit before opening your mouth. Soviet Union didn't have any ally agreement with Germany. The Molotov-Ribbentrop non-aggression pact, that you certainly refer, wasn't any sort of alliance.

The book "The look from the right side". Easy recognizable Nazi symbol over the man on the cover. This man is an author of this book. Today he is a speaker of Ukrainian parliament, Andrey Parubiy.

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Still trying to say Ukraine isn't ruled by Nazis?

 

Of course, Ukraine has liberators. And some of them are still alive and live in Kiev and all over Ukraine.

These are the soldiers and officers of Red Army who defeated Nazi Gemany.

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Oh, and where is the evidence to back that up? You have none, all you have is allegations and unfounded allegations are among the cheapest around.

LOL...before you go telling others to learn history, you should take some of your own advice. Whither you want to admit it or not the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was an alliance by any measure. In addition to studying your history, I would suggest you use a dictionary and learn the meaning of the words you use. You might want to start by looking up the meaning of the word "alliance".

The Molotov-Robbentrop Pact was an alliance between Mother Russia (i.e. The Soviet Union) and Nazi Germany. It pledged nonaggression towards each other, but it also contained and agreement to invade and carve up Poland, and it was further pledged that neither country would support not any country which opposed the other. And Mother Russia participated in the invasion and occupation of Poland with Nazi Germany, and Nazi Germany and Mother Russia carved up Poland in accordance with their alliance agreement. That is a matter of history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact

Uh...yeah. If you have some credible evidence to the contrary, now is the time to show it.

 

death by lethal injection or death by firing squad.

 

Indeed they were.

 

So, the book of Parubiy with the Nazi Wolfsangel on its cover is not an evidence?
I'm just trying to imagine what happened in Germany if some politician publiched a book with Wolfsangel on the cover. But Ukraine... is ok. This is your westerners' honor and conscience. Hypocrites.

And I strongly recommend you to improve your knowledge of history. In the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact there is no a single word about "agreement to invade and carve up Poland". But! In the Munchen agreement there are such words.

Unlike Molotov-Ribbnetrop pact in respect of Poland, the Munchen agreement in respect of Czechoslovakia contains a direct instructions for Czechoslovak government to clean part of its territory for German occupation.

This is your nature. You've always were traitors and cowards. But prefer to blame others for your own sins.

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One more cool historian? What lethal injections?

 

It was not a question. It was almost a statement: "Putina has a very extensive propaganda machine."

 

I do not understand your question.

 

Actually, some tries to represent Poland only as a victim, but in case with Chekhoslovakia, it was an agressor. In 1938 Polish army entered the territory of Chekhoslovakia.

 

that was a simple analogy to two choices that yield the same poor result.

 

You are thinking of Ukraine as a whole. In the West which was once part of Poland, the Ukrainians joined the Nazis to eliminate the Poles and Jews, while in the Eastern and Southern parts those who were not communists, suffered under collectivizing as they did throughout the Russian lands.

 

Those who lack a sense of right and wrong, can only see those who are against the blatant lies and hypocrisy of a Clinton, George Soros and Neo Con Washington as being part of a Russian propaganda machine. Their own views condemn them.

 

Here's a bit of information from the American Library of Congress on the Nuremburg trials. It's proof that the great hero of Ukraine 'Bandera' was working for Nazi Germany.

 

And? Finland's hero Mannerheim was also working with nazi germany for a while. Do you know why they both did so? because they were attacked or oppressed by the USSR.

There is nothing wrong or wierd about it. If my country got invaded by russia, and then russia got attacked by germany, of course I would help germany. Wouldn't you??

 

Then why all this endless whinning about Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? There is nothing wrong or wierd about it.

 

Why? Because some Russians -including you I think- like to pretend that Russia was noble crusaders who saved europe from evil nazis. It's the lies and hypocrisy which bothers me. If you'd just admit that you did oppress people, did invade other countries, did terrible crimes against humanity.. Then I wouldn't care much. I don't feel like I need to tell Germans what the nazis did. They already know it, and they don't deny it. But Russians do not accept their history. Instead they lie and try to tell us they were heroes. That's why.

 

But someone really saved Europe from evil nazis. Someone did it. Who was that?

Maybe that were pure and saint Czechs who gave their own country to invaders without a single shot?
Maybe that were fair and smart Poles whose government ran away from Poland on the 17th day of war?
Maybe that were poor and offended Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians who always accepted any rule including the Nazi one?
Maybe that were French whose army was beaten after one and half months of fighting and whose soldiers simply went home?
Maybe Sweden, which traded with Nazis all along the whole war and provided them with steel which Germany made its tanks of, saved Europe?
Maybe Switzerland, which kept safely Nazis' money and which sold optics and lenses for German guns?
Maybe Finland, which was so affected by Soviet attack, so joined Nazi Germany?

Who saved Europe? Who defeated Nazis?
Terrible Russian Ivan did.
Because all the others pissed their pants.
Yeah, you're so kind and pure. You didn't make crimes. But you've pissed your pants when facing Hitler and his army.

 

I'm not disputing that Russia had a part in defeating Germany. My point is that Russia was pretty much as evil as Germany, so you didn't really save anyone. You did prevent the Germans from oppressing people, but then you opressed them yourself instead. So, you can't really pretend that Russia were moral crusaders.

Russia made a pact with Germany. Russia's plan A was the pact. You didn't declare war first, hitler attacked you. How is this moral?
Russia aggressively invaded Finland. Can Russia complain about German imperialism, when do exactly the same thing?
Russia killed people in much the same way as Germany did. Can Russia complain about German human rights violations?

As I've said, you won over Germany. Congratulations. But don't act like you were saints, because you weren't. Don't act suprised that everyone in eastern europe hates you. You know why they hate you, and you know why they will not celebrate Russian victory in ww2. Stop pretending.

 

Go to Auschwitz memorial in Poland and ask local guides whom did Russian army save. Go to Krakow in Poland, and ask old people from Krakow what and whom did Russian army save there. And no, Russia did not killed people in the same way as Germany did. There was nothing like Auschwitz
(http://auschwitz.org/en/), Buсhenwald (http://www.buchenwald.de/en/75/), or Dachau (https://www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/index-e.html) in Russia or in the places that were taken by Soviet Army.
There was nothing like this in the Russian invasion to Finland:

 

Might I point out that Polish made up 15 - 20% of the allied soldiers in the Battle of Berlin.

 

There's some thing far more troubling than the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.

That's the raw materials Nazi Germany received for it's war effort, from Soviets, in the German - Soviet Credit Agreement / German - Soviet Commercial Agreement.

Turns out Nazi Germany was better fueled for war due to this, and not just that, Nazi Germany got much of it's resources it needed to invade the Soviet Union from none other than Soviets.