Ukraine is the only country in the world where...

The line is not drawn at crematoriums.. Even if Russia didn't use those, they were still much over the line. You aren't denying soviet crimes against humanity are you?

 

Do you deny that Brits were also out of line?

25,000 + civilians firebombed in Dresden by Brits / Americans (Most Americans have British roots anyways)

3 million or so in India starved to death under Churchill's regime, and there's no doubt that British colonial policies in India worsened the Bengal Famine of 1943..

Brits / Americans also appeased Soviets.

Not only in Lend lease to give Soviets aid.

But, they supported the Soviet expansionism into Central Europe in Yalta Conference, and Potsdam Conference.

 

The firebombing was meant to demoralise the German people, with whom they were at war. That is very different from how Russia killed it's own people, and how Germany killed occupied peoples who had already been defeated. The allies had a military objective. Germans and russians had other objectives...

That said.. The allies weren't saints either. But they were no doubt better than both the russians and germans.

 

Please, specify the crimes you mean.

 

The Dresden firebombing killed more people than Katyn Massacre did.

Meaning that Brits had a larger massacre event on their hands during WW2, than Soviets did.

 

You have a whole wikipedia page for it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

They also nuked two japanese cities. But as I've said, this was during war, and ww2 was total war, meaning that entire societies were at war, including the civilians. To bomb your enemies is a very different thing from killing people who are already defeated, or killing your own people.

 

The Dresden Firebombing happened AFTER the Battle of Berlin which by this time Nazis were largely defeated in the East of Germany.

The Dresden Firebombing was definitely unnecessary overkill, considering it was not a military target, and the victims were civilians.

 

Atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was also used to demoralise Japanese people who had actually been already almost defeated?
As for Dresden, the city itself had no military meaning. It was a big transport center, but if americans and brits wanted to block it there was no need to bomb the city itself, but it was enough to make bombing railroads coming out of the city. This is the difference in approach of Soviet Army and allies. While Russians tried to prevent destruction of the cities (like Krakow), allies made heavy bombing of the cities.

 

I read that the last bombing was 2 april, but berlin battle ended in may.

Oh yeah.. Russians respect all the rules of war.. I guess mass rapes in germany after the war never happened.. Stop this bs.

 

From what is mention in the reference, Katyn was indeed a crime, that was admitted by Russia as far as I know. The rest- deportations of people, etc- it is not a crime against humanity. Events in Chechoslovakia in 1968 were a tragedy, but it was a different scale tragedy compared to the one created by Nazi Germany. Indeed, there were many crimes in Stalin times with people sent to labor camps. But that were the crimes with respect to own people. And it was an internal affair of Soviet Union. In case of Hitler Germany, the things that they did were related not only to Germany, but to everyone in Europe.

 

Why didn't' Harry Truman threaten to nuke Soviets, when Stalin wanted Central Europe, instead Truman gave into Soviet demands to take over much of Central; Europe in Potsdam Conference, even though Potsdam Conference took place just after testing the first atomic bomb.

 

Germany also holds some responsibility for the creation of the Soviet Union.

Germany sent a train of Bolsheviks including Lenin to Petrograd Russia in 1917 during WW1.

Also, had Germany not had not weakened Tsarist Russia during WW1, it's almost certain that Tsarist Russia would have repelled the Bolsheviks.

 

It is you who shoud stop the BS talking about mass rapes. There are no proofs for these. All these publications in the western newspapers- is a propaganda and attempt to re-write the history. In fact, for what Germans did in the USSR, those who talk about rapes better shut up as for what Nazis did in Soviet Union Soviet Army had all rights to burn away everything on their way in Germany.

 

I think killing your own people is rather bad too. But don't you find it sad that you have to compare yourself to nazi germany? That really proves the point by itself. We don't have to decide wheter nazi germany or soviet russia was worst. I just wonder if you admit that russia did bad things.

probably because that would have meant a new big war, and he didn't feel like fighting it. The allies liked poland, and they tried to help poland, but poland's independence wasn't worth ww3.

Indeed, and it was probably a smart move by the germans at that time since it got Russia out of the war. If I ran germany at the time I would have done the same thing. It was a smart move from the german point of view. The germans of course counted on winning ww1, and after victory they would probably have invaded russia and gotten rid of the communists.

Germans killed and raped russians.. Russians did the same to germans.

 

America could have threatened Soviets, instead of giving into Soviet demands to take over Poland.

Stalin, Churchill, F.D.R, and Truman are Godfathers of the Cold War.

The Western allies like Poland?

So, how come the dumb Polak joke in America, the Polish plumber joke in France, and the constant bombardment of anti-Polish media attacks, and hate crimes against Polish in Britain?

Even Russia doesn't have anything like this against Polish from what I've seen.

How come?

 

So, you're admitting that Germany is heavily responsible for the Soviet monstrosity?

It's so ironic, that the Soviet Union wouldn't exist without Germany.

But, also that Germany would attack Soviets, to propel them to fight to Berlin.

 

Because it would have meant that thousands of young americans and britons would have to die. The UK entered world war two to help poland and you are still not happy. Everything they suffered through the war was because they helped poland. Germany didn't attack the UK. The UK had a choice, and it chose to join Poland. And you're not happy, even after the Uk almost got invaded itself, and even after the bombings of london, even after the countless brits got killed in war. The UK could have avoided all that. To be honest, you are just being a disrespectful and ungrateful prick. If I was polish I would love the UK. I would feel deeply in debt that they suffered so much just to help my country. But you don't. Tells us a bit about you doesn't it?

Yes, Germany helped create the USSR. That doesn't mean russians can blame germans for their own crimes though.

 

Oh please, Britain did nothing to help Poland.

What was Britain doing in September of 1939 for Poland?

Basically nothing.

Why should I like Brits?

For leading the World in anti-Polish hate crimes, and anti-Polish media attacks?

Or for Potsdam, and Yalta Conference, where Britain threw Poland to the Soviets?

Or, how about for silencing Polish victory parades after WW2, in favor of Soviet ones?

Or, how about for the British nation hiding the death record of Wladyslaw Sikorski from the Polish people?

Or, how about for British charging Polish for maintenance of their airplanes, which were used to help them in the Battle of Britain?

 

The most barbaric period of Russia, was during the early Soviet phase, when not only Lenin, and Stalin weren't even true Russians, but by a regime heavily implemented by Germans, and Jews.

 

What did britain do? They started world war two for poland you ungrateful polak! But I suppose that since the brits make jokes about poles today, it doesn't matter that they sacrificed hundred of thousands of people during the war. Your ungrateful attitude is disgusting.

So you're just blaming everything on germans and the jews?

 

What was Britain doing when Poland was invaded?

Basically nothing.

On the inverse, it's Polish pilots who were there to help save Britain in the Battle of Britain, where the best squadron was the Polish 303 Koskiuszko Squadron.

What do ungrateful Brits do?

They malign Polish beyond belief, there's so much anti-Polish propaganda coming out of Britain it's truly ridiculous.

That doesn't include how many Polish are victims of hate crimes in the U.K.

 

what did Poland do during the Anschluss of Austria?

what did Poland do when Germany invaded Czechoslovakia?

 

How did Bolsheviks overpower the biggest connected nation?

They couldn't have done it without the financing coming out of Germany, from both Germans, and Jews.

But, indeed Russians too are also partially to blame.

 

they started world war two

 

Britain started World War 2, without actually coming to help Poland worth a dang?