"Under God"... should be removed from the "Pledge"

What you're saying seems conceited to me.

 

Atheists aren't usually doing that. Maybe in internet forums, because thats kind of the point, but in real life most are private about it. Pretty much every conversation I've gotten into about religion has been someone else instigating it.

I think it also depends on where in the country you live. I saw a story on either dateline or 60 minutes a few years back about an atheist father and daughter who basically got run out of a southern town because she wouldnt participate in a prayer before some sporting event.

Not to mention we are typically found to be the least trusted demographic in the country. That alone is pretty alienating.

Oh, and we aren't represented in the government at all as far as I'm aware.

 

If they aren't revealing themselves to me than they aren't revealing themselves to you either so how do YOU know they feel alienated?

 

Consider it removed. When you recite the Pledge of Allegiance, you are no longer are require to say "under God". However, please forgive me if I continue to say it every time I recite the Pledge.

 

I think you'll find that "progressives" don't care about the constitution. Rather, they are more interested in what they want the document to say.

 

Bottom line is that no matter what happens on any issue, somebody is going to feel offended. You cannot make everyone happy so its not worth the effort.

I find kids that wear their jeans hanging below their ass very offensive so I want a Constitutional Amendment to make that illegal so I don't have to see some punk teen who thinks he's cool flashing his fruit of the looms around.

 

Too anwser your question, no it doesn't matter.

We're talking about people, who have too much time on their hands, and looking foward to being offended.

 

I've spoken with literally thousands of people where I work in the military. I've talked with them about many things. I talk about 'religion' (beliefs, values doubts etc.); there are many atheists.

I've known many who were NOT believers in God.

Many remain quiet, because they realize they are seriously outnumbered and bringing that up around 'believers' doesn't help anything. But you are wrong, if you assume they don't often feel as though religion is being imposed upon them.

 

Don't think that applies, partner...

My parents used to tell me that if I didn't like something someone was doing, if it didn't affect me in any way, IGNORE IT!!!

It's a very easy concept...

By pushing this "freedom from religion" concept, a lot of atheistic types seek to suppress others freedom to exercise their religion of choice...

*$.02*

 

Take a walk through any college campus and you will see a totally different side. Its actually the believers who are outcasts and feel alienated there. Kinda works on both sides you know.

Don't you think that believers will feel under attack if we start removing God from everything? Or does their view not matter?

 

I think atheism is misguided, hear me out.

pantheism ( all god) trumps atheism because the natural embodies god.

no irrational super natural diety, just a greater system of the cosmos.

its perfectly scientific, and science becomes a path to greater knowledge of god (the cosmos)

freedom of religion is a choice we can make, but freedom from god (the cosmos) is impossible!

belief that YOU, a man can be supernatural is the path to destruction and the doom of us all.

 

What you said about colleges is completely unsubstantiated. The general population are believers by a large majority, and i see no reason to assume the same wouldnt apply to college students.

Give me a break, they feel under attack when someone says "happy holidays".

 

You are correct.

Correct again.

Amen to that!

 

"Under the rule of law" doesn't sound as much fun.

Especially to those multitudes who break it, then seek Heavenly Father forgiveness.

Contritely. Again and again.

 

They dont HAVE to say it, so I do not see how it violates anyones rights.

 

I think twisting the meaning of god to be anything you want it to bastardizes the word. If your definition of god is just "nature" or "the cosmos", and nothing else, then I reject that definition. Why call it god when you could just call it nature or the cosmos.

I don't know any atheists that think they are supernatural.

 

Then YOU aren't applying the most proper or reasonable level of empathy.

I think people who think the way you do, should indeed be challenged.

 

Why? Our leaders elected to keep it. We spoke through our representatives to keep it. Or are you implying that just hearing the word "God" is against your freedoms?

 

Do you want YOUR kids to have some pledge you disagree with, recited in their classroom every day they attend?

So, what's it going to be; mention of "God" in something the STATE deems important enough to have teachers/kids recite DAILY or THIS?

I'm very certain that in 1954, they made a terrible mistake in ADDING: "... under God..."

 

If my child disagrees with it, he doesn't have to say it. Its that simple. Hopefully he wont be a sheep that just starts to blindly follow.

 

The pledge as originally written says:

Wikipedia says:

All part of the McCarthyist war on atheism.

Regardless, the pledge should be removed from existence. I can find nothing in the Constitution to justify its existence.

 

Why not have the SCHOOL say something that your child can actually identify with? YOU may not be, but many other PARENTS are concerned about that.

Okay... but only "simple" for you, your mindset and your family. I get it. But that isn't so for other Americans.

Hopefully not. Even so, other parents do not want their kids being indoctrinated that way.

 

So if your not opposed to it saying something you don't agree with, surely your not opposed to "under god" just not being there, right?

 

____Yep!!____

 

No, the Constitution doesn't address this but is socialists can find abortion in the Constitution they can find anything.