"Under God"... should be removed from the "Pledge"

Actually God and religion are not the same thing. So suggesting that using the term 'under god' is religious, isn't entirely accurate.

 

Wow, what an idiotic thing to post. Good job kid.

 

Hows anything being pushed in public schools, when nobody is forced to say the pledge?

Do you see you irrelevant your argument is?

 

Are you calling Ben Franklin un American and treasonous?

His letter to Thomas Paine about his manuscript against religion.

 

Why do you take so much effort in responding to him? He's an extremist.

 

Nothing better than to show an extremist up. When you can show he doesn't know what he's talking about, it sort of takes some of the wind out of them.

 

Doesn't matter to me whether or not they take it out; i always omit that phrase when saying the pledge. Have done that for years now.

 

In most cases, I would agree. But, this is a special case were logic, facts, and common sense seem to have no affect on him at all.

 

I don't think they suffered. I think they lived with integrity. Just in another country.

 

Doesn't matter to me whether or not they take it out; i always omit that phrase when saying the pledge. Have done that for years now.
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Your the kind of atheist I can have respect for. You don't believe and that's fine. You skip over those words and that's fine too. But your not out to deprive others of saying it if they want to. I'm waiting for some atheist to bring up a law suit against Christmas and Thanksgiving.

 

See?

Very simple solution, if one doesn't want to say "under God..."

 

Nothing wrong with religion...

When people try to use it to strongarm others into their belief system, that's no good, but, religion is not inherently bad...

And, let's not start throwing that treason word around incorrectly...

That right is reserved exclusively for birthers...

 

I've never seen anyone forced to say it...

 

Glad to see its so important for you anti Americans and atheists (liberals) to keep trashing our traditions and Christianity in particular. Yeah, what better time to show your anti American stripes then right now on the eve of having obama trash the Christian and Catholics in particular over this mandated contraceptive issue.

I can't wait until November when the Evangelicals and Conservatives nationwide stop this anti American movement by you socialists.

 

Ben Franklin was a very smart man and I think he had a good point about religion that many just ignore. Religion can be a very good thing to instill moral values in our kids and even adults.

You don't have to believe in something to at least admit that it can have a positive effect on society. Isn't that what's important? I think it's safe to say most of us don't believe in Santa, but I think many of us don't take that belief from our children. It's nice having them believe that if they are good Santa will bring them something nice on Christmas Day and if they are bad, they may not get anything. It's an incentive to make kids act nicer and this is basically what Ben Franklin was saying about religion. Yes, some of us don't need an incentive to be good kids or adults, but some do. As he said, if kids are as bad as they are today, how much worse would it be without religion. Here is a man that arguably is a non believer. But he is smart enough to see the value in it. Besides, how is it hurting you? It doesn't. Like Santa, kids will grow up and they will learn the truth about Santa. They may also wind up believing that there is no God. How does it hurt no matter what they grow up believing? My Father was a non believer. Mother was. Out of six kids five of us believe and one doesn't. Dad never tried to influence us one way or the other. What's the big deal people? You haven't got enough to complain about? You need a little more of Ben Franklin's wisdom.

 

Did you go to kindergarten or first grade? Those kids FEEL compelled to say it, the teacher tells them the wording of the Pledge and they repeat what they're told.

Christianity is supposed to be a free choice. Forcing people to participate in Christian rituals or recognition is counter to free choice.

 

No.

Liberal's use of the word "interpret" in this regard simply means "get it to say something with which we agree".

In short: make sh!t up.

 

A reference to God is not a Christian ritual - and there is no forcing of kids to the pledge. If there is a true objection, the kids are not compelled.

Stop making stuff up.

 

Do they have free choice when parents are trying to convince them there is no God, or do we allow them to make up their own mind?

 

More accurately, it has been twisted to imply what atheists think the establishment clause ought to mean, since such meaning is nowhere to be found in the amendment itself.

Bearing in mind the distinction between atheists and atheism, decent people can't help but be at war with the latter merely by breathing.

 

I was never forced to say it...

Never heard of any kids being disciplined for not saying it, nor is there any push to have kids follow Christianity...

They're just words...

Whether you believe it or not, is entirely up to you...

 

That's the answer, right there.

 

It is not merely about "YOU".

 

Oh, you know better than that, and stop pretending otherwise. A reference to God may not be specifically Christian but it's still a spiritual declaration that violates the first amendment. And we're talking about schoolkids and you act as though they can't be compelled without being physically forced -- for me to believe that you actually believe this, I would have to believe that you were never a child. Are you an android? No? Then stop being nonsensical.

 

Under God was not the original wording. The wording was changed during the Cold War to draw contrast between the US and the Soviet Union.

It should be returned to its original state.