"Under God"... should be removed from the "Pledge"

If there was an option to allow 3rd party or augmented polling... I'd go along with that (sometimes).

All the polls are biased in certain ways; and I didn't want the OP and its poll to be overly lengthy.

I'm WITH you on abolishing it from the classrooms.

 

While many State Constitutions in America imply the follwing:

It surely does not follow, that we who DO have faith or believe, must/should impose that upon other human beings.

Again, I'm happy this issue is back in a court of law.

 

I've been listening to and reading opinions in many places on the issue, and I thought this response was humorous, yet supports my point:

 

The pledge is far more offensive than any prayer. Organizer prayer in schools would bother me far less than a daily organized recital of a pledge to the state does. its nothing but socialist propaganda

 

*shrug*

To each his own...

I, personally, don't find either one offensive...

 

I don't see what's so offensive about the Pledge, or its wording...

 

“Under God” makes no reference to any specific god of any specific religion. One does not have to be religious or go to church to believe in God. Ergo, there is nothing about it that violates the First Amendment. If you personally feel marginalized by the idea of God, just be honest about it. You'll get a lot more sympathy with that than by trying to rain on everyone else's parade just because you can't accept something you don't like. When you turn your own personal problem into everyone's problem, you only turn yourself into a pariah and invite hostility against you.

 

Even so, many (rightly) find it offensive and alienating.

 

The pledge itself is stupid. They can put "under God" "under Satan" or under "Porky Pig" in the pledge for all I care.

 

I guess some do...

I suspect that most don't feel the need to make a spectacle of it though...

 

I don't know how old you are, but I can tell you that this needs to be resolved legally (in a court of law).

Unless people send their kids to a private school, where religion or mentions of God and ritualistic traditions aren't objected to, then they need to attend to the needs of all as best they can.

I think the proper solution(s) would be to NOT recite the "Pledge" daily (as a rule)... or restore the original wording (pre-1954) to make it all-inclusive.

 

Its already a tradition, leave ther man..

some people just need to stop being over sensitive about insignificant things..

 

I'm very HAPPY this is going to court.

 

I'd say it's a taint on our pledge rather than a tradition. The pledge is pretty pointless though, and doesn't really have a place here in the land of the free. The greatest nation on Earth shouldn't need your to pledge your loyalty every day, you should just give it voluntarily when the time comes. That's what members of the military do already.

 

Amen and THANK YOU!!

 

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And I can tell you that this kind of (*)(*)(*)(*) is just gonna clog up the court system...

Easily resolved by just ignoring it or having people tell their kids to not participate, which, of course, is a whole nother can of worms...

 

No, it won't. And there are a LOT of cases exponentially more frivolous than this one. YOU don't see this as 'important'... but it is. (If that "Birther" BS can get the mileage it does... this goes readily without saying.)

That is your opinion; we disagree. And WE aren't the ONLY Americans who disagree about this type of thing. It is going to COURT, because reasonable and decent people can't resolve this at the level we are arguing (as much as we might like it to be).

 

What I'm hoping for in all of this, is a "Pledge" that ALL Americans can recite and really mean in their hearts (such as the version that is pre-1954).

I can believe, in my heart and mind (from "faith") that this is "...One nation under God...", but I have good reasons to doubt whether or not it is truly "indivisible" or actually promotes "...liberty and justice for all".

Compelling students or others to recite or endure a pledge they cannot truly relate to... isn't right.

 

The reason it matters is that it's indoctrination. I do not want my children pledging allegiance to a convoluted religious presence. It is this very indoctrination that emboldens politicians to push a religious agenda... such as teaching creationism in science class, what a joke. The point is, how can you accept a pledge of allegiance knowing that in the person's heart that they don't whole-hardheartedly agree with it... a pledge should be honor-bound and there is no honor in being forced to lie.

 

How about "In Obama We Trust" instead?

 

Sometimes we must pick our battles. Christianity is ubiquitous in our society, right now all the religions are indoctrinating the faithful with a persecution complex, like we give a crapola what they worship. Now it is politicized to the point that a rational debate is impossible, whether it ever will be is subjective because, after all, no religion is rational. No, I say let them have their little victory, be sure an teach your children not to laugh at them and show proper reverence so as not to upset them, let your children know that forever the "faithful" will be followers and that we as the more responsible Americans must find a way to harness their energies toward positive goals in other areas as is our ethical responsibility.

 

I don't think that I ever remember being "forced" to say the pledge of allegiance and I surely have not been forced to utter the words "under God."

When did freedom of speach become freedom from speach and freedom of religion become freedom from religion in America?

Sad

 

you wouldn't find it offensive if a school held a daily morning organized prayer to Satan the Lord of Darkness?

 

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

 

Well spoken, sir.