Water Filtering Plant In Donetsk Captured By Ukrainian Forces

It doesn't..regular muscovite army units in the LDPR are there for a future wider assault on the territory of Ukraine.

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As it does in Kaliningrad, Vladivostok.

 

Well, it seems my previous messages have not arrived in the thread, so I will start anew.

Greetings, and good time of day or night.

I want to make a few things clear. First of all, if side that captured water plant, have deliberately damaged it - that strikes, first of all, at the civilians of region. And I believe there are laws against such deliberate acts against unarmed population in conflict zones.

Second, I want to make one thing clear. What does 'muskovite' means, and whom it refers to? Because, if I recall correctly, there is no such nation or citizenship existing at the present time.

 

Calling everyone a Nazi who doesn't fit your Worldview even when they're not a Nazi, is akin to McCarthyism, where he called everyone a Communist who didn't fit his Worldview.

It's a political trick to tarnish people.

 

The main rocket scientist in the United States of Wernher Von Braun was indeed a German.

The main rocket scientist in the Soviet Union of Sergei Korolev was more of a Ukrainian.

 

The old records of Poland, showed that there were much Ruthenian peoples in the East, these are what we'd call Ukrainians, and Belarussians.
The Russians took over these lands mostly in the 18th century, with the dismantling of the Polish state.

 

If you go back far enough Crimea was Greek... But there were also Khazars, Ottoman Turks, Rus and so on.

 

Russians are clearly very diverse in their ethnicity, clearly in the North of Russia many Finnic speaking people were assimilated to Russian, while in the South of Russia many Turkic speaking people were assimilated to Russian.

While this does hint at some Asiatic mixture in Russians, it's probably not from Mongols.

Actually in the Eastern, and Southern Ukraine they also assimilated Turkic speakers too.

 

The Greco-Romans spoke of Scythians inhabiting the region, it's just the issue is Scythians no longer exist, but it seems a lot of their DNA survived in the regions they inhabited.

 

True. Crimean peninsula had active history, and currently, sadly, again serves as cause of dispute. The worst part is that awful "I know better!" attitude, most of people outside of Crimea have, insisting on Crimea belonging to one state, or another. I wish the referendum would've been repeated, with neutral observers, to settle that dispute once and for all.

Sadly, I do not see such attempts, instead I witness voting for considering it being an occupation, without asking the actual people of Crimea of what they want. Also, this is terrible how Ukraine and Rossia treat tatar Mejlis - one side calling it official representation of tatars IMMEDIATELY after the crimean referendum, and other treating it as quazy-terrorist organization and created opposing organization called Kirim. In the end, it seems, both sides threat crimean tatars the same way UN treat crimeans - as an instrument of political struggles.

 

Chersonesos in modern Sevastopol
Main article: Greeks in pre-Roman Crimea

Further information: Spartocids and Bosporan Kingdom

The ancient Greeks were the first to name the region Taurica or Tauris after the Tauri. As the Tauri inhabited only mountainous regions of southern Crimea, at first the name Tauris was used only to this southern part, but later it was extended to name the whole peninsula.

Greek colonies along the north coast of the Black Sea in the 5th century BCE.

Greek city-states began establishing colonies along the Black Sea coast of Crimea in the 7th or 6th century BC.[10] Feodosiya and Panticapaeum were established by Milesians. In the 5th century BC, Dorians from Heraclea Pontica founded the sea port of Chersonesos (in modern Sevastopol).

In 438 BC, the Archon (ruler) of Panticapaeum assumed the title of the King of Cimmerian Bosporus, a state that maintained close relations with Athens, supplying the city with wheat, honey and other commodities.

The last of that line of kings, Paerisades V, being hard-pressed by the Scythians, put himself under the protection of Mithridates VI, the king of Pontus, in 114 BC. After the death of this sovereign, his son, Pharnaces II, was invested by Pompey with the Kingdom of the Cimmerian Bosporus in 63 BC as a reward for the assistance rendered to the Romans in their war against his father. In 15 BC, it was once again restored to the king of Pontus, but from then ranked as a tributary state of Rome.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Crimea

 

True some Russians exhibit Nordic features...many were intermixed with Asiatic influences, especially throughout Siberia.

 

Nordic features don't necessarily equate to most European.

 

No, it will not work for me for two reasons. First, Karamzin is no more fairyteller, than Veller himself. Second, Russian Empire consisted not only from Moskovia (which was, in fact refferered to only Moscow-city at the begining) , but also from Siberia and other lands. I am sorry, but Genghis Khan had nothing to do with association of Sibera with Moskovia).

 

I'm saying that it's not okay for a foreign power to invade Ukraine and steal part of its territory under the guise of protecting people living there.

You're championing slaughter on the part of Putin even while crying about a hypothetical "massacre" carried out on the part of imagined "Azov Nazis".

 

...are we suddenly turning thread in discussion about history of eastern Europe and lands surrounding it?

 

Ukranian had already benefits from good relations with Russia- cheap gas, for example, lots of tenders for industial equipment (like two huge steel plants in Mariupol which delivered different products to Russia), etc. Ukraine supplied a lot of agricultural products on Russian market. These things were natural, as lots of ties between the partners, logistics had existed since USSR times. If you compare how the people live now in Ukraine in comparison how everything was before the coup, you will find that it became much worse- the prices went for everything heavyly up, people became to live definetely worse. Ukraine is not needed by the EU, and less it is needed bythe US. It is just an exchange coin in the political games of the countries.

 

And no matter this history, Russia is behaving thuggishly. What they're doing - taking territory by force - is an act of war. That's traditionally how such actions were carried out. Calling it something else or citing a coup as a justification doesn't make it something else.

 

A lot of people settled on Crimea including Goths and Germans. The ancient Greeks colonized it, as did the Genovese in the Middle Ages. The Greeks probably never left since the colonized areas became part of the Byzantine Empire, and I know Stalin sent 60 thousand Greeks to Siberia for not wanting to communize. I did read in a Greek newspaper they were very upset and frightened with the fascist government in Kiev and were asking Russia for passports.

 

Siberia was part of Juchi always , don't you see that you have had 0 institution laws, form of governance, languages from Kiev rus´ , between you and Kiev 1000 miles and many 100s years. what you have its ulus of juchi tax station (Moscow) and RPC as ulus of juchi bank, and tax department. ps do you certificate Karamzin as a professional historian today?

 

...what relation, exactly, does this text bears to the topic of the thread..? Why are there a sudden discus about history of Europe's east in here?

 

I question that, since the Turks were Muslims, and to change their faith would be a capital offense... so how could Christians have Turkish blood unless it came from a pre Muslim era... which is possible of course. On a whole though, I don't think that part of the world contained many Turkish tribes before their conversion to Islam... except maybe the Avars who I believe were Turkish. They came into the Balkans together with the Slavs in the sixth century ...

 

What Fascist government in Kiev?

 

Southern Russia, and Eastern Ukraine were without a doubt Turkic longer than they were Slavic.
They are the old backbone of the Khazar Empire.

The irony is that it's not really Jews who have Khazar blood, but rather some Russians, and Ukrainians.

 

The EU has become more of a mouthpiece for Liberal multiculturalism, rather than the initial economic union.

Had Russia not have invaded Crimea, and bought in support to Donbass, it's likely that many Eastern European nations dissatisfied with EU Liberalism would have been bought into the Russian sphere.

But, it seems Russia is not run by the most intelligent people.

 

Personally, I'd rather say that Federation's current government simply pursues interests, that do not belong to the citizens of the Federation. But that is statement on the edge of conspirology, and can lead to a lot of speculation.