Water Filtering Plant In Donetsk Captured By Ukrainian Forces

But Russia doesn't have an access to the Mediterranean from its mainland. It would have to send it's ships all around Europe to reach it. The other problem is the Dardanelles ... When Putin wanted to scare the wits out of Erdogan after the plane was shot down, he changed the name of Istanbul on the maps to Constantinople. Hint, hint, hint!

 

The shrimp posts pictures of himself shirtless on his website. He doesn't impress me at all.

 

Greeks I Greece asking Russia for passports?? Good thing you read it "somewhere", since it's probably fake.

 

I believe, were meant ethnic pontian greeks, that live in Crimea. Not greeks that live in Greece. And yes, there have been precedents of people, living on Crimean peninsula, being interested in double citizenship: ukrainian and rossian.

 

Belief of racist, cultural and ethnic supremacy = Nazi

Not all Ukrainians are Nazis of course, only the Russophobes from Galatia.... but they're the ones Nuland installed in the government for geo political reasons.

Anyway when you play with the devil, expect to get hurt. Poroshenko is in a spot. He can't do anything about the Nazis blocking the coal shipments that will destroy Ukraine's economy ...or at least what's left of it, because he's having his own survival problems with them in Kiev.

 

This had nothing to do with having double passports, this was desperation to escape the fascist junta in Kiev. The news about the Greeks begging for Russian passports came from Greekdefense.net and was before Russia entered the fray and helped with the referendum. It might have been after the Korsum pogrom ... but I don't know for sure since it was never mentioned.

Most of my news came at the time from the Greek site, sincethey were able to get news directly from Greeks living in Ukraine. In Mariupol which was a Greek city given to them by Catherine the Great, they were all rushing the Greek consulate to escape the Right Sector (Nazis) onslaught.

 

You might determine that by comparing dates of news to date of incident on road block in Korsun.

As for ukrainian current government, even if it has overpatriotic and in some cases nationalistic tendencies, it is not nacistic. There is a precise difference between pushing out of use non-titular languages and rewriting history books, and speaking of racial purity and natural dominance of one race above others.

 

I thought Rurik was a Swedish prince. Invited by the peoples of Kiev to govern them
as with a vast and rich land they were incapable of governing themselves.
Just like today.


I was unaware Rurik's haplogroup had been established.
Does any of his personal DNA exist?

The Point Remains: Ukraine / Kiev are part of a continuum from Kiev to Novgorod to Moscow/St Petersburg,
There has never been an independent, self ruling Ukraine / Kiev not involving a greater authority.

And I don't mean the Lord. ​

Moi
My father use to recite the Rurik letter at the dinner table

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Stop Creeping ism
Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.​

 

Something like the Donbass terrorists aka freedom fighters, they danced with the devil and what happened? I'm sure FSB can perhaps assist you with that since the bloods on the hands.

 

May you be more objective and less vague, please? Explain, what you meant by these words, please.

 

Сommon, Julus Juchi had died by the time when Ermak conquered Siberia at the end of 16th century. I agree with you, between modern Kiev government and Russian government there is a big difference: the Nazi ideology that is dominated now in Kiev is not acceptable in Russia. About Karamzin- yes, I think he is a professional historian, compared to many modern diletants, who try to pretend be professional historians (like, for example, Nevzorov, whom do you like because he produces a lot of (*)(*)(*)(*) about Russian history).

 

It is not obvious (about Eastern European Countries falling into the Russian Sphere). Anyway, even with association of Crimea into Russia and involvement of Russia in Donbass, Eastern European countries are not happy with politics of tolerancy and multiculturalism. And they are correct in the resistance to pay for the political mistakes of Germany, UK, US and other involved countries.

 

Lugansk and Donetsk rebels, and former russian diplomats and UN security council member Churkin.

 

If that's the case, then anyone who supports social programs, government intervention, and equality must be a Communist.

But, obviously that's not true, neither is it true that most who support some kind of ethnic difference, or supremacy is a Nazi either.

There's really no proof of the Ukrainian government being a supremacist government, even if it has some Bandera supporters within it's ranks, that proves nothing.

Besides, being pro-Bandera, doesn't make one a Nazi, believing that Hitler was right makes one a Nazi.

Obviously real Nazis are rare today, because very few believe Hitler was right.

 

Anti-Ukrainian sentiments about them being incapable of governing themselves noted.

Ukraine's problem was obviously to a large extent Russia, both during Soviet times, and also before Soviet times.

They kept Ukraine largely illiterate, as they didn't invest into Ukrainian education pre-Soviet era.

As for the Soviet era, obviously Communism is an inferior system, which leads to lack of incentive to produce, and which attacks the wealth creators, leading to a sort of wealth stagnation.

 

Ukraine was kept poor and illiterate during Soviet times...now they can read but are still just as poor if not worse.

 

Is the Korsun pogrom even legit?

If it is then it clearly has nothing to do with Poroshenko's government.

 

The countries in the proper Soviet Union had a harder time to reform post Communism, due to Communism being stronger in the proper Soviet Union, as opposed to Soviet bloc countries like Poland, Hungary, East-Germany, Czechoslovakia etc. which had already incorporated some mild Capitalist elements pre-collapse.

This made it harder to adjust, and rebuild the Capitalist economy.

As a result countries like Ukraine, Russia, and Moldova had a harder time adjusting to Capitalism, and even saw economic decline in the 1990's.

The Baltic nations were in the proper Soviet Union, and did adjust a bit better, however they also are tiny, and easier to fill up the Capitalist economy.

 

I think the mix of Balkanized conflicts, genocide, and invading armies has forever altered the psyche of Eastern Europe.

They know first hand how Balkanization failed, they cling to ethnicity due to being subjected to genocide, and see little difference between invaders of any kind.

 

I think without pure water they will be now forced to vacate Ukraine and got to motherland Russia,
what a great exodus would that be.

 

Yes the former Warsaw pact had an easier time to readjust post Soviet since before the iron curtain swallowed them they had a capitalist system in place, so after everything collapsed it was easier for them to readjust to what was known before. It was like a bad social experiment for nearly 5 decades, the other" proper" ones you say , yes, its much tougher to adopt a different approach since all they've known is a oppressive , tyrannical climate.

 

Consider, Ukraine's borders where expanded west from the ole Ukraine of ole Russia times
This expansion took in a large Roman Catholic, Polish-Lithuanian population.
What is Ukraine?
What the west says it is?
What some USSR administrative area designated the Ukrainian Republic says it is?
Ukraine is no more a nation-state than many African nations designed by Europeans.
And similar to those African countries, the borders have a lot to be desired to represent a nation-state.

 

Ukrainians were Kievan Rus, after the Kievan Rus was destroyed by the Golden Horde, they re-emerged as the Cossacks.

 

Well since you put it that way...neither was Russia a nation state.Same could be said of Moldova since it originally Romanian territory and never was russian.

 

We may well disagree but hopefully NOT on what was termed Ukraine back then
has expanded significantly westward, into culturally Polish/Lithuanian Roman Catholic populations today.
Give me those ole time Ukrainian borders then tell me about it.

Kiev to Novgorod to Moscow / Petrograd.
One political continuum governing Kiev.
With interruptions from Ottoman, etc. and what nots.
ultimately back to the same political, ruling of
the continuum Kiev to Novgorod to Moscow / St. Petersberg.

Politically destroyed does not equal cultural extermination.
The Golden Horde let you live if you paid your taxes.
Ivan the Redoubtable refused to pay the tax and now Kazan is
part of Russia.

After Acadia, Let's Support A Free And Independent Golden Horde nation
and recognize its' capitol as Kazan.​

And that's the way it is. My Mother's Parents came to America in 1905 from Kiev, Russia.


Moi

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