Who benefits the most from blocking the Keystone Pipeline?

dude, you're totally the guy I need to talk to then. See, I building a doomsday clock in my next thread, "Count down to Keystone", but I need a date to count down from. Hook a brother up

So oil companys, Canada and The US. But its all gunna be exported, How does the US benifet? Care to explain your answer a bit?

I'm guessin you're sayin that The Obama doesn't benifet from passing it? So why would he let it pass?

I thought the US benifts somehow. You said oil dudes, Canada and US. I don't see how adding a new supplier to the world oil market hurts anyone but OPEC types.

Burn..... My feelings took like 4 points of damage reading this. LOL Teach me, I crave you're wizdom future knower guy.

You said Oil guys (Oil companys... probably American ones) Canada (selling more oil on the world market) and the US (transporting more oil to the world market) I would say that America gets the most out of it because it provides more compitition on the world market to oild countrys who mean to do America harm.

LOL, try again. Noob post like these are fun to smack down

 

"Poll: Who benefits the most from blocking the Keystone Pipeline?"

the real question is who benefits the most from the pipeline and why do the American people need to pay for it?


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Good question, how much does it cost "America"?

 

Te longer it sits the more money progressive campaign donor Warren Buffett the more millions he will make. It's just the progressive party paying back the or billionaire friend. The Democratic Party and proof that they are Coro stooges

 

I take it u think Warren Buffet benifits the most. How does he benifit if all the oil is gunna be exported... LOL

 

Blocking a pipeline so that oil can be brought in on a tanker from Nigeria or some other environmentally unfriendly country is hardly the "only way for the US to rebound and innovate"

I am definitely for innovation and moving away from fossil fuels but that is not reality for the foreseeable future.

As such, not building the pipeline only contributes to the number one environmental issue currently facing the world = pollution of the oceans.

 

Tar sand oil is already at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to energy returned on energy invested (EROI). Therefore, Obama is probably doing the oil companies a favor here by preventing them in investing billions in an endeavour that won't even pay for itself at today's low oil prices. Then again, it is probably not the investor's own money that is at stake, so someone else probably would get fleeced.

Overall, the country would be a lot better off if these billions were invested in renewables. Even PV solar has a better EROI than tar sand oil.

 

fo sho man. Oil tankers sent here from countrys that hate everything are way safer then pipelines from countrys that like us. Go Obama!!!

 

He owns BSNF the train liner that is already moving the tar sands across the U.S. now and has been for quite some time. Making million on top of millions. Te longer the pipe line takes the more money he makes. And what do you know he was a major donor to Obama. Look at that. The longer Obama holds the pipe line off the more tar sands Warren moves across the U.S. for processing and exporting. Making it rain for democrats during campaign time.
The Warren train option cost about $3.00 more a barrel than the pipe line would.
But who cares as long as large corps makes their millions right?
Every time Obama veto the pipe line he is writing Buffett a blink check.

 

Canadian oil is dirty.... Damn Canada, sellin crap. F- Them. OPEC is way better.

Ya, Oil companys love throwin money away. LOL

Them Jew... I mean rich white bankers... Always screwin people.

Like Solarinda. In the mean time lets keep buying our oil from people that hate us. The last thing we wanna do is compete with them on the oil market. That might make them hate us even more. LOL

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Canadian oil is dirty.... Damn Canada, sellin crap. F- Them. OPEC is way better.

Ya, Oil companys love throwin money away. LOL

Them Jew... I mean rich white bankers... Always screwin people.

Like Solarinda. In the mean time lets keep buying our oil from people that hate us. The last thing we wanna do is compete with them on the oil market. That might make them hate us even more. LOL

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Canadian oil is dirty.... Damn Canada, sellin crap. F- Them. OPEC is way better.

Ya, Oil companys love throwin money away. LOL

Them Jew... I mean rich white bankers... Always screwin people.

Like Solarinda. In the mean time lets keep buying our oil from people that hate us. The last thing we wanna do is compete with them on the oil market. That might make them hate us even more. LOL

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Canadian oil is dirty.... Damn Canada, sellin crap. F- Them. OPEC is way better.

Ya, Oil companys love throwin money away. LOL

Them Jew... I mean rich white bankers... Always screwin people.

Like Solarinda. In the mean time lets keep buying our oil from people that hate us. The last thing we wanna do is compete with them on the oil market. That might make them hate us even more. LOL

 

no way... The oil already goes there? By train? Owned by a Major Obama donner? WOW, News to me

 

The number one issue facing the planet is contamination of the oceans with persistent organic pollutants (POP's) and heavy metals. I made my living for years cleaning up such contamination so did not just wake up this morning come up with this claim. It is not disputed although coverage is way overshadowed by "global warming".

It is not like GW is not an issue (perhaps #4 down the list) but, the study that Obama himself commissioned stated that the Keystone will not have a significant impact (not like anyone who has any clue about the industry did not know this already as the majority of emissions come out the tail pipe)

From an environmental perspective, a barrel of Canadian crude is far more environmentally friendly that an barrel of "African, Russian, South American, or Middle eastern crude.

Further, if we have to buy oil from someone, why not buy it from folks who are more likely to spend that money here in the US? Ever been to Phoenix in the winter ? I think Canada must have bought that state and no one told us !

What is perhaps even more disconcerting is the effect of these regulatory shinanigans, made up nonsense and pretty much outright falsehoods, being used as barriers to entry of capital into this country. If the admin did not want the Keystone then they should have said so up front rather than let TransCanada spend billions of dollars and then have the project cancelled.

What message does this send ? Most folks are not economically inclined but it is a fact that the flow of capital is really important to economic prowess.

Countries that increase the flow do well and countries that put up barriers have problems (unless you are the middle east where oil is the only game in town - exceptions to ever rule).

I voted for "hope an change", not dumb and dumber.

 

Other. The people who own the property rights to the land the pipeline will be built through and who do not want the pipeline on their land will benefit most.

 

The pipeline makes the oil more available to the world market.

That increases its price, making oil companies more money.

Beyond that, those in the central US will see the price of oil rise, as companies will find more competitive bids for their oil.

We've seen that already. Before the OK grid was improved so it could help move oil away from the upper midwest, the oil prices in that region were far lower. Improved transportation of the oil was the reason for that change.

So, the pipeline:
- makes more money for oil companies
- increases the price of oil for America.
- puts more CO2 into our environment, and that CO2 will remain with us, as it requires centuries for it to return to sequestration.

 

So a bunch of American land owners will benifit the most from building it. Nice... You almost answered the question. Better then most. LOL. But the question is "Who benefits the most from blocking the Keystone Pipeline?". Dare answer and explain? LOL.... Liberalis.... LOL

 

The trucking and rail industries benefit. Because we are getting the oil anyway so they would rather be the ones bringing it here.

 

Read again:

"Other. The people who own the property rights to the land the pipeline will be built through and who do not want the pipeline on their land will benefit most."

 

So theres a bunch of people who don't want the pipeline built on there land? So even if they go around those people, you're still against it right? Even if all the people who own the land want it?

 

But TransCanada isn't planning to go around them. They've been filing eminent domain proceedings against landowners who don't voluntarily sign over right of ways.

 

No, then I wouldn't be against it. I wouldn't really care either way. But that isn't the case. Here's just one example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/30/keystone-bundy-property-rights_n_5235813.html

 

I am not up to speed on this so help me out. Are you saying a private foreign held Company is filing eminent domain proceedings in the US?

 

There are those who don't. But, they often don't get a choice, because government condemnation proceedings will take it from them at the price set by the government.

(I have a business that would like to use YOUR property. Would you like it if the government condemned your property so I could make a profit?)


And, again:
- the price of oil in the central states will rise
- the oil companies will get that additional profit
- our environment will get more pollution as we pump ancient carbon into our atmosphere

Oh, and a few people will get some temporary jobs.

 

Yes. Maybe you should do a little research.

 

Even in Texas people's property is being condemned in order to help oil companies make more profit:

" Efforts to reform Texas law, which currently grants eminent domain authority to pipeline companies that simply check a box on a one-page form, fizzled in the most recent state legislature."

http://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/20...exas-landowner-fighting-keystone-xl-pipeline/

The real joke is that Texans like to brag about how free from government they are!

Sure - they just turned over the right to condemn you property to private enterprise! So, yes, the government didn't take the land - they just let corporations take your land!

 

I will but I need to crawl before walking and asking a few questions helps me out during this initial assessment. My main concern is under what authority does a foreign holding have the right to file eminent domain in the US on privately held land?

If this is true I am no longer for it and shame on the republicans for pushing it forward. A family works hard to establish his home and property and a foreign company can take it away?