Who Will Hold Trump Accountable?

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  1. Bluebird

    Bluebird Well-Known Member

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    So,"Heavy Sigh",you didn't go read the FBI report---YES, there is "evidence" that the polling data has been hacked--The FBI has the pin #'s,they are still investigating who those pin #'s belong to--- I have brought the link to the FBI report several times on this forum in many of the OP'S-BUT, if one doesn't click on the link--one remains ignorant---google it yourself,it has been out since the 20th of January---
    So, remain blind & support a win at any cost trump calluding with a foreign government & taking away " our" choice of electing a POTUS----OR-- wake -up & demand that this can not happen----
     
  2. Bluebird

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    No, I do not know you, but, one can get a pretty good impression by what they write----just saying-----
     
  3. Bluebird

    Bluebird Well-Known Member

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    So, then "are" you holding trump accountable for using an unsecured "twitter " account?
    Or "are you holding trump accountable of violating the nepotism laws by having his Daughter & son-in-law in his administration?
    Or "are you holding trump accountable of not divesting his business dealings?
    Or "are you holding trump accountable for lying to the American people hourly?
    Or 'are" you holding trump accountable for colluding with a foreign government to win this election?
    I'm sure I am forgetting some of what we should be holding trump accountable for, but you get my point-----
     
  4. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's say Hillary had been elected along with a majority Democratic congress. And let's say she appointed a new SCOTUS judge, and maybe another one or two.

    Who would hold her accountable?

    Congress? Nope

    The media? Nope

    The courts? Nope

    And would her supporters care? Nope.
     
  5. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But... The free press has shifted it's morality to believe that it is free to make it up as they go along, and no longer have a journalistic standard- they have become political propaganda machines. We have not stopped them from doing it, but it's not credible nor respectable. They made that happen, not Trump. I realize it annoys them to be called for it, Tough.

    The opposition party lost it's power because they failed to hold themselves accountable, and turned into a head-long swing to socialism. If they can't be honest with themselves, if they can't understand that they have created what they now perceive to be a problem,. they can't do squat- and that is a position they put themselves in.

    His supporters DO hold him accountable - but not for pandering to the left, not for continuing the American sell-out the left supports. We hold him accountable for keeping his campaign promises, which by itself is an absolutely unprecedented feat in our political history, going back decades- but is actually happening now. If he violates his commitments to us, he will hear from us about it,

    Congress- has never been accountable to anyone, including itself. It is the only watchdog over it's own ethics, and has the right to eject an unsatisfactory member immediately if it chooses. It has chosen to do that twice in the last 150 years, so we can see they run a tight ship.

    The judiciary is supposed to enforce the laws congress passes, and due to the complexity of what congress writes, the opportunity for manipulation of meaning is huge- the bigger the law, the more latitude and loopholes it has. Trump acknowledged the Judge who ruled against him- and while critical of that judge's decisions, re-wrote the order, even though the judge's ruling was widely acknowledged as being in major conflict with the law while Trumps order was within it.

    Trump does not pander to the whiners. He's not afraid of criticism, and will not allow it to manipulate what his decisions are. That is not the same as not listening to the people or not listening to legitimate arguments- it's not listening to positions that have no foundation, or answering those who's only objective it to create irrelevant argument and paralysis. I would much prefer a person who's personality was unpopular but got the job done, over one everybody liked but failed to. That is the essential difference in the viewpoints of his supporters and those who want to talk about his ego or hair. Performance comes first, lip service is a lot farther down the list and does not substitute for performance.
     
  6. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Undoing what Obama did with new regulations and executive orders, with new regulations and executive orders isn't consolidating power. It is UNDOING the effect of Obamas consolidation of power like a monarch or dictator.
     
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    No problem with an unsecured twitter account as long as you are not tweeting classified material.
     
  8. Bluebird

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    Well, completly disagree with you-----Lest you "forget" about the crash of 2007, "less rules & regulations caused "GREED" & greed brought our country to it's knees---So, "undoing" the rules & regulations that OBAMA put into affect,(highly disagree with your monarch & dictator statement)will "once again" bring greed & we will go through another recession----There is a commission report out there on this for you to go read----Seems some don't want to learn from the mistakes the GOP made----trumps administration is not experienced enough to control what's coming-----So,here we go again,but only this time at break neck speed----
     
  9. Bluebird

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    Oh brother,So, people have argued that "if" HILLARY would have had a secured server,we wouldn't even be talking about this,let alone 9 congressional hearings" So, using that argument as an example---Should we not be holding trump to the same standard you all applied to HILLARY? --------
     
  10. Merwen

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    Likewise.
     
  11. Just_a_Citizen

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    http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/election-day-russia-hacking-explained/index.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/...ion-fears-barack-obama-donald-trump.html?_r=0


    https://truthseekersmedia.wordpress...attempt-to-steal-election-results-from-trump/

    Just as one can find links seemingly supporting a hack, one can find links links to the contrary.

    Just as one can find links seemingly supporting hacks that actually changed votes, one can find links to the contrary.

    I guess it all really boils down to the seeker's agenda.
     
  12. Bluebird

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    Well, where's the FBI report ?---So, what it boils down to is,you don't want to read the report,because you would have to admit that there" is there there",but at least you are googling----Hey,if I go get the FBI report for you----Would you read it?----
     
  13. Just_a_Citizen

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    The only thing I read in the report(s) was that access may have been gained, but, & here's the most important part of a hack... there were no changes detected.

    The point of hacking, is to alter information.

    I still haven't seen any evidence proving this.

    If there were, the entire globe would be reporting it, & we'd likely be revisiting the same tensions felt during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
     
  14. Bluebird

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    Well, I will take that as a compliment,as I learned a long time ago,back up your statements with fact,which is what I do--So, thanks for the compliment--
    So,whether you consider yourself a sexist or not-your statements in my opinion are sexist----
     
  15. Merwen

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    I'm not a sexist. I just feel the pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction and needs to swing back a bit.

    My views tend to depend mostly on where the pendulum is on most subjects, as I do not believe in extremes.
     
  16. Just_a_Citizen

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    I actually warned of this, right after Obama was elected the first time.

    Far Left swing, leads to a far Right swing.
     
  17. Injeun

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    Actually, President Trump is a moderate. The problem is that Democrats have played devils advocate for so long, and have gone so far left, and have become so unstable, that anything reasonable seems rigid to them.
     
  18. Bowerbird

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    Sorry but sheer disbelief at the first sentence rose up and dropped my jaw to the floor. Moderate compare to whom???
     
  19. Just_a_Citizen

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    Erm.... What exactly is "Moderate" about Teh Don?

    I agree he's less extreme than the Tea Party, but a Moderate? Perhaps after 46 years I've forgotten the definition.
     
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    You're describing exactly the way many felt about the Obama administration. He was never held accountable, neither were his minions like the IRS, Fast and Furious and Hillary's private eMail server.
     
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    What were the media lies brought against Obama? That he was Kenyan, not even a U.S. citizen, a secret Muslim, and he wanted to take away guns from Americans. What actually happened during his administration? He passed a giant law that guaranteed a lot of people health insurance. Wow! What a dirtbag! Oh, and he authorized the mission to kill Osama bin Laden. Oops, Obama-haters can't stand it that he killed bin Laden, a true enemy of America.

    Now what are the lies and distortions brought against Trump? That he moved the bust of MLK in the Oval Office? (A story that was almost immediately retracted.) What else? So far all I've seen in the media is that Trump sound like an idiot when he talks. That isn't the media saying that, it's just Trump opening his bombastic mouth or tweeting with his delicate fingers. While Obama went off and had a real threat to America killed, Trump is over here claiming he's fighting an "enemy of the American people" in the media. He is a joke. It's a good thing most of his cabinet members appear to have high respect for the Constitution, because Trump looks to have none.
     
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    But Obama treated the office with dignity and respect. Trump has made a mockery of both the White House and our electoral process.
     
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    Time will tell.
     
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    The media had a giant lovefest with Obama for 8 years, it completely and utterly failed to do its job. Jeez. Oh and legally forcing people to buy totally unaffordable health insurance with skyrocketing premiums and deductibles, using taxpayers' money to buy insurance for the poor that they still can't use due to prohibitive deductibles was the dumbest, most idiotic, absurd and unworkable approach to the problem, no wonder it was DOA and now that the subsidies to insurance companies have expired, it's collapsing as we speak.

    Give me a break, they lie outright, they lie by omission, they distort, manipulate, twist facts, present absolutely everything in the worst possible light.... When was the last time they mentioned that the dems are still dragging their feet on 1/3 of his nominees? They don't even bother reporting that. Or their constant huge "Trump is a Russian spy" headlines and a tiny "there is no evidence of wrongdoing" disclaimer on page 5, line 27 of the article, or CNN show with a host and 5 guests - 4 Trump haters and the 5th is a no-Trumper. Get real.
     
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    Right, that matters a great deal to 12% of American families who moved from the middle class to the poor, that will matter so much to all of us when the $10 trillion national debt bill will be due,,,,, But hey, he was a smooth talker and looked good in the Oval Office so who cares.
     

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