why Mormans are not Christian

I would think so, though I do understand that my opinion is biased. In 2Nephi 5:21 it says

And 22:

I think the cursing was less about their actual sin and more about the fact that God didn't want the righteous to fall away from the truth because the Lamanites, who were wicked, were beautiful to them. It also might be in part because of the racism of the Jews, which was, unfortunately, there. It was likely still affecting the Nephites - who did originally come from Jerusalem. God was probably playing off of their racism of people of darker skin to help keep them on the righteous path.

 

.... and that does nothing to explain away the nature of the "cursed black people".

I do appreciate the effort though.

 

I don't understand what I missed in that explanation. Can you elaborate so I can try to do a better job?

 

The verse clearly states that those with dark skin are cursed.

Your explanation does not provide a verse that voids that, nor does it reconcile that fact in a way that would make blatant racism seem appealing.

The Book of Mormon is a product of the time, racism was cool back then. Now it is not. Maybe that is why the Mormon Church removes such verses?

 

No that verse is plainly there, I've read over it several times in my own set of scriptures. Let me try this again, because I guess I didn't explain it right.

I'm not sure why dark-skinned people first came into existence. I guess I would need to do more research on that part. However, it is well-known that back then darker-skin was seen as a sort of lower class to the whiter skin. It came from the idea that if you had the money, your skin would be lighter because you would be spending more time inside. This lasted until around the time of the Industrial Revolution when factory workers became more common. There's the racism part in it.

I've already explained why God did it, so I'm not going to rehash that unless you didn't understand that part. Let's see about that curse part. I guess that in reading this you have to remember that this is not God writing this, but a man. He's going to put this in his own words. I imagine that in a way this was a curse to the Lamanites, because I'm sure they had a similar racism at the time that they didn't like those with darker skin. So for them to have darker skin would be a sort of curse - explaining why it was called a curse. It's in the eyes of the people who wrote what they did, in this case Nephi.

Does that make more sense?

 

That just echoes what I said.

The Book of Mormon is not the word of "god", it is the word of man. A very dishonest man.
Racism was cool back when it was written, hence its original appearance. I find it amusing that the Mormon church removes such verses from the newer Mormon books.

I guess the "word of god" is relative to the whim of the times eh?

 

I'm sorry that you don't seem to want to try to understand. I quite clearly said that the verse was plainly in my scriptures, that the church had not taken it out. Thank you for your time, but I'm obviously, and disappointingly wasting mine.

 

Right, an atheist who thinks that regular Christians are rapists and genocidal maniacs, thinks that Mormons are racists. Never read the Bible, undoubtedly never read the Book of Mormon, but an expert on all faiths.

Is there some reason that atheists need to generalize and villianize other people's faiths? Is there some reason no atheist, being supposedly intelligent people, will not confront the worst of their lot while they are behaving like this?

 

I do want to understand, and I do understand.

Black people are cursed, those are your beliefs from your holy book.

What else is there to say?

Only serves to prove my point.

 

No it only proves that your mind is already made up and that you are only interested in (*)(*)(*)(*)ting on people.

What happened, did your Christian GF break up with you? So now you are back to crapping on Christians rather than telling us how much better you are than us because you would date a Christian?

Nice to know that Mormons are judged by a single line devoid of context by an atheist, just as all Christians are genocidal maniacs based on deuteronomy.

Whats most amazing about this trite is the utter silence of atheists in the face of what is clearly and obviousy Bible abuse. A prick with no other design that to twist someone else's faith into an insult and inflict pain .... an atheists just sit there at best, or, at worst, cheer him on.

And if you think its JUST one atheist?

http://www.atheists.org/Mormonism

The funny thing is that no atheist will EVER acknowledge that this where they get their information. None of them have actually read the Bible, much less the Book of Mormon, but they are experts.

Kinda like studying Juddaism by reading Nazi propoganda. Intellectually valid? Well, then why do atheists behave like this?

 

In the Caribbean there are 150 thousand Mormons. From Mexico to South America there are two million Mormons. In South America there are three million Mormons. In Africa there are 300 thousand Mormons. And in Asia there are one million Mormons. That's about 6.5 million Mormons of yellow, red, brown and black skin, which is approximately half of the church's membership. So how can the Church and its members be racist and bigoted if half its members are other than white, and all races are included.

 

You would have to ask them why. I have no idea why someone would subscribe to a religion where they are considered cursed based on their skin color.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcJlPnhAH5M"]Mormon racism in the name of God - YouTube[/ame]

 

you have to understand the context..

it wasn't something i believe in .
it is all to do with Morman's claim that God changed their skin colour.

I write about their view and you call me a bigot and state this is my idea
"that god changes skin colour"



your shooting the messenger.....moron.

you should not enter forums .

you are either a blathering nic come poop
or a troll...who is only really entertaining himself.or herself. or itself.lol

 

the skin colour is called "The Mark"

inanely racist...

 

historical documentation..

it's flipping science fiction lady

 

Seeing that racism is YOUR conclusion, don't you think that you should be the one to investigate the conflict between your conclusion and reality? If you backtrack, I think you'll find that your conclusion is flawed because it springs from a preconceived unsubstantiated notion that the BoM is a work of fiction, written by a man. Over six million Mormons of color would say otherwise, which should be of note to any legitimate scientific research.

 

I guess that's one of the perks of being agnostic - I don't have to CARE whether Mormons are Christian or not.

 

Mmmmm.... not really my conclusion. I believe 8: The Mormon Proposition made the same conclusion.

Also, an "appeal to popularity" is not a legitimate argument.

 

Well, if it's science fiction, then it's not true. And if it's not true, then it can't be racism. Make up your mind.

 

If an appeal to popularity isn't a legitimate argument, then where do you stand upon a single quote. Besides, you're the one who said that they should be queried for the sake of understanding. Now you're saying otherwise.

 

Um.... no. You said that because X number of people believe in Mormonism that it can't be racist. That is an appeal to popularity. Neither you nor anyone else has reconciled the cited verse in a way that removes any sort of racism from it.

So either the Book of Mormon is the word of god or it is not. No picking and choosing here.

 

If L. Ron Hubbard could invent a religion based on his works of fiction (and he did), then a precocious 24-year-old could have done it in 1830 (and he did!). What really needs to be substantiated are the claims made about the BoM - particularly that it was translated from text inscribed on golden plates (unsubstantiated) and that it reflects any historical accuracy whatsoever of the Native American peoples (unsubstantiated). Why would anyone think it's anything other than fiction?

 

If you preach to the uneducated masses, someone is bound to believe you.

 

That is exactly what Stalin said isn't it? Tell a lie often enough ... viola, it becomes the truth.

Interesting that atheists preach this out of the blue?

 

You do realize that you are, in effect, argueing with a troll? Its not like an atheist on this forum will ever acknowledge that they are wrong.

After all, we've already had one Mormon explain the meaning of the text, which our expert - who has not read the BoM - has rejected because ... he says so (an appeal to authority, for which he has none). Now, he claims it is racist .... even though there are people who are of color (apparently the object of said racism) who disagree ... to which he is now calling an appeal to popularity based on numbers, and completely ignoring the fact that there are Mormons of Color .... apparently in stark contrast to hs claims of abject racism.

Its the equivalent of telling a black man he hates black men - its not a fallacy, its simply and utterly mind bafflingly wrong.

Not that our more militant freinds will ever acknowledge that they were wrong about something they took no time to study or understand ... because its impossible for some atheists to ever be wrong - even when they make things up.

Eventually, he'll just blow his stack and accuse you of being a bigot are too stupid to understand how science works - a sure sign that you have reduced the trolls of atheism back to their emotional roots. Have fun.