Will Trump's loyal base stay with him now?

A hysterical diatribe like that? I reckon you're a salaried Democrat apparachik and I claim my 5 dollars!

 

and now his supporters

 

Where exactly do I absolve the President of anything? Let me be crystal clear: if the President fails to do everything in his power to see to it that the southern border wall is built, which is to say keep to his word vis-a-vis a campaign pledge of his to build the wall, I will be the first person to be calling for him to step down. I can tell you exactly what President Trump stands for, and one very large component of what he stands for is the wall. Some of us understand what a central campaign promise looks like.

I'm willing to give the President a bit more time, where you're ready to call game, set, and match. And make no mistake, this is an uphill battle. The President cannot trust the likes of Schumer and Pelosi, nor can he trust the leadership of his own party, McConnell and Ryan. We will see what happens, but based on recent history, I would not be too hasty with announcing to the world that the President has lost. Maybe it's just me, but if there's one thing that Donald Trump seems able to do better than most, it is to pick himself up and dust himself off when others are telling him that he's done.

 

That's what I have been hoping to see...the beginnings of a workable coalition that hangs the old swamp creatures out to dry.

 

I agree. If they continue to perform this way it will confirm that they are all, in reality, traitors that have been rubber stamping policies that weaken the country in favor of elitist financial interests.

 

I support compromise and reasonable outcomes that are good for the country as a whole, not just for special interests: The country as a WHOLE--not to exclude special interests, where those do not collide with the well being of other US citizens and the planet as a whole.

 

Trump's buffoonish persona is a tool he has consciously used to get him the media attention he needed to get elected, and now, unfortunately, to keep himself in office. Those of us that saw him as the potential moderate he appears to actually be realized that was the price he and we had to pay to get in someone that would actually work toward getting our government back on track. As more finally begin to realize this his strength will only grow.

 

And they are clever, Merwen. Politicians are masters at having it both ways. It's the art of the poisoned pill. For example, let's say you are an elected representative who is conservative. Your constituents elected you because they think you will be tough on border security and immigration. But your big donors are those who don't want border security because they thrive off of cheap labor. So what you do is talk tough on border security and vow that you will never vote for anything that includes amnesty for illegals. No amnesty! No pathway to citizenship! They're criminals, and the law of the land must be respected!

But you do this knowing that the other side will never agree to increased border security without some sort of accommodation for illegals that have been in this country a long time and who are otherwise good citizens. So you get it both ways. You get to talk tough for your rank and file constituents, while, at the same time, sabotaging any hope of a bi-partisan agreement that leads to increased border security. Which is exactly what you're really trying to do because that's what your big donors want you to do.

I can read these guys like a book.

You watch. On tax reform, border security, etc ... watch for certain Republicans to start adding in the "poisoned pill" that sabotages everything. And this time, the motivation is simple political revenge. We should give it a name ... like "McCaining" legislation.

 

Congrats, this is the longest non-meaningful post on the internet.

 

And you don't mind that he is swinging leftward? I really don't know. Trump fans are refusing the face the fact that Trump is going liberal. They simply are ignoring that fact, pretending it is not happening.

It is an interesting reaction, considering that being a lefty and a liberal a couple weeks ago was nearly as bad as voting for Hillary. But not anymore.

 

So what specific policies or actions or laws do the citizens of the country as a whole want?

 

Despite all the posts on this thread detailing what Trump is doing, you apparently are ignorant of the fact that he is making deals with the Democrats that are in conflict with his campaign promises to you and in conflict with his own party. Furthermore, he adopted liberal policies regarding transgenders in the military (he froze his own ban), the Dreamers (he wants to make them legal), and the Democratic views on the debt limit (abolish it) and keep the government open (short term version).

Your reaction to all this is to endorse the steps Trump is taking. You apparently agree with his shift toward liberalism.

Wasn't it just two weeks ago you were telling us how nasty the liberals and Democrats are?

 

Working across the aisle doesn't mean shafting your own party as Trump did. That is called "up yours" to the Republican Party.

President Donald Trump's and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's tête-à-tête on Tuesday — after a summer of sniping between the two — lifted Republican hopes that the GOP was finally back in sync ahead of a brutal fall of fiscal deadlines.


Not 24 hours later, the president cut a deal with Democrats on a short-term debt ceiling increase opposed by McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan. Just Wednesday morning, in fact, Ryan had scoffed at the Democratic offer that Trump accepted minutes later.

In the aftermath, Republicans seethed privately and distanced themselves publicly from the deal. They were left to hope that Trump’s collaboration with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi was a temporary dalliance, and not the new MO for the president.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/06/hill-trump-relations-242411

What I find really strange is that those who voted for Trump, those who for the Republican Party, are cheering Trump for making a deal with liberals.

I just don't get that.

 

Do you ever say anything intelligent? Or do you spend all your time trashing other posters? You haven't contributed one thing to this discussion, just wisecracks to those who have contributed. You tell me I am wrong about everything. Yet, you have never explained why I am wrong. Most likely, that is because that is beyond your ability. I'll give you another chance. Explain to all of us why this is all wrong.

Trump gave a series of conflicting statements on Thursday about how he hopes to deal with the Dreamers, muddying the waters over whether he will support their bid to gain eventual citizenship and whether he will demand a border wall in exchange.

The conflicting viewpoints came from the very start. Trump said he was ending DACA, which was highly popular with both Democrats and Republicans, but gave Congress six months to craft immigration legislation replacing Obama's 2012 executive order. Furthermore, he promised to protect the Dreamers during that six month period.

Trump told reporters in Florida that he's "not looking at citizenship" as an option for the young immigrants and also "not looking for amnesty." The comment conflicted directly with an earlier White House statement. It said, "the Trump administration will not be discussing amnesty" but that a possible option "could include legal citizenship over a period of time."

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said on Wednesday that they had reached an agreement with Trump to tie measures to grant Dreamers legal status to border security measures, but not to a wall. They said Trump had made clear he would continue to demand a wall, and that they had told him they would oppose it. To which Republican Steve King of Iowa tweeted, "If AP is correct, Trump base is blown up, destroyed, irreparable, and disillusioned beyond repair. No promise is credible."

Trump said funding for a wall along the US border with Mexico must be part of any deal on immigration, but also conceded that the funding for the wall could come at a later date. Then he said, “If there’s not a wall, we’re doing nothing,” referring to the Dreamers and the deal he supposedly made with the Democrats.

First, he tweeted at 3:11 in the morning, "No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote."

He immediately followed that with another tweet. "Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!....."

And, "...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security."

Trump continues his highly questionable tactic of attempting to have it both ways. He wants to make everyone happy. After eight months he has yet to learn that such a tactic pleases no one and infuriates those on both sides of an issue.

Conservative commentator Ann Coulter tweeted, "At this point, Who doesn't want Trump impeached."

 

"No they're not." So, Trump fans are aware the Trump is going liberal. That' what you said. You seem to like the idea.

What you are suggesting would be wonderful, but that is not what Trump is doing. That is what you hope he is doing. Unfortunately, Trump is a lifelong Democrat and he is returning to his roots. He has adopted the liberal point of view on a number of policies. You are okay with that?

He is not working with his own party. He shafted his own party.

President Donald Trump's and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's tête-à-tête on Tuesday — after a summer of sniping between the two — lifted Republican hopes that the GOP was finally back in sync ahead of a brutal fall of fiscal deadlines.


Not 24 hours later, the president cut a deal with Democrats on a short-term debt ceiling increase opposed by McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan. Just Wednesday morning, in fact, Ryan had scoffed at the Democratic offer that Trump accepted minutes later.

In the aftermath, Republicans seethed privately and distanced themselves publicly from the deal. They were left to hope that Trump’s collaboration with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi was a temporary dalliance, and not the new MO for the president.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/06/hill-trump-relations-242411

This is your idea of moderation and working with both parties. Time to wake up.

 

That proves it. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Those two men decide if something is voted on, what the Senate or House votes on, and when it is voted on. If they don't like a bill, it never sees the light of day. Also, Republicans are chairmen of every committee in the House and Senate. They decide what gets voted on and what doesn't.

That's why Trump pissing off his own party is so freaking stupid.

Either they lead, or they should get out of the way. Aw, geez, that's funny!

 

I am disappointed in you, Seth. You decided to respond to that pabulum. Why not pick one of my posts with substance. They contain the real meat of this discussion.

Trump fans are trying hard to ignore the fact that Trump is going liberal. They find other things to talk about.

 

Did you say all that with a straight face? To be successful, Trump had to act as a buffoon? Damn, that was funny.

 

All of sudden Trump fans are acting like liberals. Two weeks ago, liberalism was comparable to devil worship. No longer. Now they are all moderate Democrats.

Who would have thunk it?

 

Shanks you are a card carrying, FOX news watching unapologetic RINO. You've been wrong in every single thread you've posted in. You want me to shed some sunshine on your azz from your past postings?

 

Would that be the party that said it would repeal Obamacare at the first opportunity? The group of dysfunctional bozos that were unable to place on Trump's desk the same bill that they placed on Obama's desk? Say again? Who has shafted who?

As I keep saying, Trump is not a Republican, and Sanders is not a Democrat. Their popularity this last cycle was precisely because people are pretty tired of politics as usual. That's my take on things, anyway. Hardcore Democrats and Republicans will disagree, but that's because they are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

 

He's just got hemorrhoids because a MILKTOAST (correct original spelling) Kasich or Jeb!! got boat raced in the RNC nomination.

 

To be honest, I lost interest in the first 11 paragraphs of your OP. I rarely respond to posters who insult me. I am an Independent, and I support Trump, and I resent and reject your assertion that Trump's base is a bunch of racists. Do you want to be insulted? I could play that game, but to be honest, I'm just not interested.

Seth

 

Seth, the RINOs supported and voted for Hillary. How did that work out for them? They act like scorned liberals.

 

You're pretty resistant to input. This has already been explained to you.