Is Freedom of Speech more important that human life

The reaction of SOME Muslims is despicable.
Most I know just assume the film maker is an idiot who'll rot in hell but won't do anything to speed him on his way to a warmer than average afterlife.

I say, "Allow him to say what he wants but he must pay all costs incurred as a result of what he does".

 

If the Mormon' are as mad and offended over the broadway show, "Book of Mormon," would you feel the same way?

 

Ok I understand your point and admire your compassion for others. However, it’s the double standard those that embrace the reprehensible SENSELESS violence associated with perceived insults to the religious icons of Islam that would anger anyone possessing an iota of common sense. The need of the rIslamic leaders that are proponents of violence reeks of those that seek to be kings of despotism via mafia like extortion and totalitarianism. What if the pope said the next person that disrespects Jesus in this forum dies? Its ridiculous, or would be if the pope did not have the power to actually do the deed! As for your claims of taking free speech too far, there are laws in most free countries that protect free speech. Citizens of the USA enjoy the RIGHT of free speech which is protected and rabidly so by our constitution. Still there are laws against 'yelling fire' in a crowded theater. Common sense is the key. Those that are in the streets protesting the USA because a freaking silly movie not connected to the USA dissed Islam haven’t any common sense. Or they have been propagandized to the point of being zombies, life sized puppets for a Mullah, Islamic Cleric, or ?

Lastly its obvious to me that the desire of those* that engineered the violence was to force Sharia law upon the entire world by any means necessary. *(read 'those' as the same satanic goons of old). Don’t want the violence? Do not violate the prophet or face punishment described in the Koran and interpretations of Sharia law! We in the USA and other sovereign nations do not want a violent devout religious in this case a Islamic nut in a too tightly wound turban dictate to us what we can or can not do! We possess our own constitution that guarantees REAL religious freedom. If he wants to enslave his own citizens by murderous inquisition like religious law so be it, but stay the hell in rIslamicland or face our version of a fatwa via seal team 6 .


reva

 

What does this mean? "The reaction of many Muslims to the Mohammad film is indeed despicable." I don’t think Indofred meant a majority of Muslims reactions were unsavory, but rather there were a lot of Muslims in the street protesting, kind of like the Muslims etc gleefully celebrating the nearly three thousand dead Americans etc in the 9/11 attacks...

reva

 

So you are willing to blame one person for what another person does? How is that any different from blaming a rape victim because she was dressed too scantily or because she didn't have a chaperone?

 

We are out of Iraq. Any killing occuring is at the hands of other Muslims. Isnt it revealing, you cant even detect the difference in a country when our troops are present and when they are not. All you know is to blame the Americans and defend the muslims. Are you a muslim, or do you just hate America

 

And why cant we blame the generations of the oppression of Coptic Christians at the hands of the Egyptian people and Egyptian governments, for the reaction of this one Copt making a film?

 

Usually the only costs of these things is a dozen or so dead muslims who die in violent protests and some property damage.

 

I think a better question is... "Is it worth living if you restrict yourself from engaging in anything that might offend someone?"

 

some people deal in reality.... that video cost lives and is putting out soldiers lives at risk overseas, that is the reality of it

cause and effect....


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Not really. What costs lives is the inability to deal with criticism shown by many Muslims.

 

And the short skirt the girl was wearing drew the attention of the rapist and put her in danger. And the kid talking back incited his stepfather to anger, so it is the kid's fault that his stepfather beat him.

 

Kids are taught from a young age to not insult others. Its called manners. Are you saying its not worth living if you are not allowed to insult others knowing full well how much hurt your insults cause.

No doubt those people are to blame. But if I insult someone knowing full well that it would result in death and damage to property, does it not make sense to just hold my tongue thus preventing a few deaths. Is my right to insult worth more than other peoples' lives?

Are there also not laws against slandering others? IS that also not limitation of speech? Why do you not commit suicide rather than live by those laws?

 

So you are arguing that even if there is the faintest chance that someone somewhere might be so offended by something I might say as to get all medieval then I should say it regardless of whether or not it is the truth? So then all I have to do to stop the Obama campaign of character assassination is to go all medieval on NBC News?

Sounds like a plan to me,eh.


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No. If you know that your insulting someone will cause countless deaths and the only way of preventing those deaths is holding your tongue, then it makes sense to keep quite.

 

I'm saying it's not worth living if simple mockery of a religion is illegal. A free society allows a certain amount of offensive behavior. If we open the door to censoring certain criticism, all of it becomes vulnerable to censorship.

Europe is already in the process of moving in that direction. In the U.K., hate speech laws are much broader than our own limitations on speech, for example.

A society that coddles the easily offended is destined to experience more riots and destruction, since ultimately, you can't really police every insult. It's never going to work as intended unless you set up a true police state. And at that point, you've already lost all of your freedoms anyway.

Slander and libel are very different, because they limit very specific forms of speech. Spreading lies about an individual or family is very different from doing it about a larger group like a religion.

To answer your earlier question, though, I'd argue that, if it becomes known that certain people are willing to kill over their religion being insulted -- they shouldn't be allowed in open society.

People unstable enough to kill over their religion being offended belong in a mental ward.

Unfortunately, we don't have enough wards to keep all the crazies locked up.

 

Gary's point is that censorship validates unreasonable behavior.

If we start being more sensitive toward Muslims because of a crazy minority of them, then it encourages other groups to lash out to censor criticism of them.

 

I anxiously await, "The Book of Koran" to hit Broadway.

I imagine opening night will start with a bang.

 

How was this filmmaker to know that a trailer released in English would incite riots months after it was released? How was he to know it would be any different than any of the other clips on the internet that portray Islam in a bad light? No one knew that Muslims would riot over this film.

 

I never said the killers were blameless, I just assume we both agree on that

i just do not think the people who made and promoted this video are blameless (that appears to be our disagreement)


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The whole point of the film was to incite Muslims. Lets have a honest discussion here instead of hiding behind lies.

 

So (*)(*)(*)(*)ing what. We need to burn Qurans to incite every radical Muslim so we know which ones to kill.

 

What would you burn if you wanted to get rid of the people that produce country western music? 'Cause they seem to cause the rest of the world a lot of problems and I think that if we're going to start eliminating the radicals within demographics, we start with the ones that annoy me, personally, the most.

 

What does freedom of speech have to do with planned terrorist attacks?

 

If you kill someone to try to take away my freedom I will kill you.

But this is different. That attack has been itching to happen for a long time and only needed something to trigger it. Watch this a few times and you will gain a whole new perspective http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY