French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

Bolshevik Russian Jews enjoyed much support of Lenin who was Jewish himself along with influential prestige within the communist political vanguard but then they started double crossing Stalin with Trotsky and Stalin laid down the hammer on them shortly afterwards.

 

I think the law was not tailored for him but for everyone, he go against the law and he was prosecuted, sounds normal to me.

 

So... Trotsky lived in France and then Norway and in 1936 was granted asylum in Mexico. Settling with his family in a suburb of Mexico City, he was found guilty of treason in absentia during Stalin’s purges of his political foes. He survived a machine-gun attack on his home but on August 20, 1940, fell prey to a Spanish Communist, Ramon Mercader, who fatally wounded him with an ice-ax. He died from his wounds the next day.
That was in 1940. Russia was still full of Jews. Especially known were the so called Commissars who were particular vicious in riling up the Russian soldiers against the Germans. In particular I like to mention Ehrenburg who encouraged, no, demanded, the rape of the German women and girls in 1945.
Stalin did not lay the hammer down on them... not at all, as you can also read in the following article.


1945 – The Worlds Biggest Revolution You Never Heard Of

Excerpt:
The aftermath of the Second World War is just as convincing of the power of Jewry as the aftermath of the First World War. In the aftermath of the first conflict the Jewish delegations at Paris achieved some amazing things. These included the mandate over Palestine, the incorporation of the language of the ‘Balfour Declaration’ in the text of the mandate, the minorities treaties in Central Europe and the ‘Covenant of the League of Nations’.
But in the aftermath of World War Two, the Jewish achievement in power politics was even more amazing.


First came the great Nuremberg Trial where the German defendants were hung during the Jewish high holidays of October 1946.
But even more impressive was the immense army of ‘carpetbaggers’ who followed the American and British armies into Germany.
They were joined by a similar army of occupiers from the Jewish Bolshevik east. These occupiers wore British, American and Soviet uniforms, but all displayed the same ethnicity.

The Hungarian author, Louis Marschalko, describes the process in his extremely rare book, ‘The World Conquerors’, published in English translation in 1958.

I recommend reading the full article here:
https://historicaltribune.wordpress.com/1945-the-worlds-biggest-revolution-you-never-heard-of/

 

@Jazz

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and_antisemitism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slánský_trial

 

I understand why some nations have laws against holocaust denial & I have some sympathy with their position. Holocaust deniers are one rung above child abusers in my book, and far fewer of them can claim any form of mental illness as a defence. They make me nauseous on a personal level and they disgust me as someone who has actually engaged in deep historical research. They represent pretty much everything bad & sick about humanity. Fortunately most of them are cowards who would never act on their prejudices.

That said, they scare me a great deal less than governments criminalising unpopular opinions or particular historical claims. That is a slippery slope we should never start down. If you want to see where it can lead, Turkey punishing people for their views on the Armenian genocide is but one example.

It also allows holocaust deniers to pose as victims of persecution. Filth like that don't deserve the opportunity. 'Freedom to lie' is not absolute, but it most certainly exists. If it did not we would all be in jail. There are certainly circumstances where lying may be punished in the courts - defamation, lying under oath or fraud, for example. However, this isn't an area where criminal penalties are appropriate.

 

When the truth is so solid and indisputable you have to make it illegal to question or criticize putting people into prison if they dare do it, nice.

Yes, because questioning official narratives of history is somehow equal to child abuse.

Do you know how ridiculous and absurd that sounds? My guess, probably not.

NPC Mode:

"Ethnocentric white European people bad."

"Anybody that doesn't embrace multiracial social utopianism is sick and evil."

You know I am unaware of any other historical event in human history where it is illegal to question something and thereby doing so will get you a prison sentence.

Why is the Holocaust so unique in that regard? Gee, I wonder...

Also, we're not cowards, we're just waiting for people like you to inevitably destroy entire societies, nations, and civilizations which is what you do where afterwards we'll clean up the chaotic mess leftover after your abysmal failure by rebuilding from scratch. The long game is all about patience, strategy, and mental fortitude. There, I am glad to get all of that off my chest.

@bigfella

 

This post is a useful reminder that holocaust denial has zero to do with historical truth and 100% to do with pushing political & racial agendas that denying the holocaust serves.

It is also a reminder that the mental contortions of holocaust denial rob people of the most basic perceptive skills. At least two people on this thread have mentioned another event in human history where questions will get you jailed or at least charged. One of those people was me, and the reference is in the post you quoted (but apparently didn't read). There are other nations where questioning their history will get you charged & possibly jailed, including Thailand, Russia and China. I doubt they are the only examples.

So, your claim that the holocaust is 'unique' is as poorly based as the rest of your claims. Monomania pretty much guarantees you will get most things wrong....and never for a moment accept that you do. Learn to read properly, you might learn something.

 

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The difference is that it is the Turkish government itself doing the censoring or imprisoning themselves versus Jews who influence to pass laws and have people imprisoned through western governments. If anything it shows a powerful Jewish political influence in western governments something Jews deny having at all amusingly. At any rate the west is suppose to value free speech compared to all other nations around the world culturally but why this subject is the only exception to the rule is beyond reasonable comprehension.

Thankfully I live in the United States where I don't have to worry about jail time or prison just for questioning the official narrative of things in history.

 

OK, so you were 100% wrong. Rather than just admit it it you've gone into evasion mode with a big helping of Jew obsession (gosh, what a shock).

Bottom line is that you are incapable of reading and comprehending 3 short paragraphs in an internet post to which you replied. You also seem to have trouble admitting error. There is no reason any intelligent person should treat your opinions on history, politics, world affairs or any other adult subject seriously.

Maybe you should stick to things in your intellectual range. Aim low, it will save time.

 

Not one person has questioned the real purpose of this thread. The clue is the last sentence in the OP, the only words that he wrote. His MO and who clearly would not be disappointed if another holocaust occurred. Unfortunately for him, the topic has taken a different turn to his expectations on how the thread would develop.

 

Irrelevant. Many people are anti free speech because they think the 'right' to not be offended is more important than free speech. Just look at the answers on this thread.

This means nothing else. And it has nothing to do with history whatsoever.

Strawman. Nobody on this thread said anything about your political ideology which is not the topic here at all.

Clearly shows that Holocaust denial is all about ideology and has nothing to do with history.

The only NPC mode to see here is Holocaust deniers mindlessly repeating the same talking points even after they've been debunked to death...just like progressives. It really gets tiring to deal with both groups for that reason.

Then maybe you should do some research, there are many examples. There's been several mentioned on this thread already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayssot_Act

The French "Holocaust denial" law actually applies to crimes against humanity in general, so it also works for any other genocide. You'll get the exact same penalty for denying the Armenian genocide in France.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rison-terms-using-term-Polish-death-camp.html

Poland just passed a law that forbids any speech that holds them responsible for the Holocaust with a punishment up to 3 years in jail.

Funny isn't it, the side that is against Holocaust shaming doesn't like free speech any more than the other side that supports it. Does this mean that since they ban questioning history on that, Poland is actually responsible for the Holocaust? By your logic as quoted at the top of my post, it does.

It's not. As I said, the Holocaust is not even explicitly mentioned in "Holocaust denial" laws, they use general terms like "crimes against humanity".

Nothing but faulty logic and disinformation.

The Holocaust is a business with lots of money in it. So obviously there are people who make up fake stories for fame and money, in fact the contrary would be surprising. This is completely irrelevant to history however. "Some people lie therefore they all lie" is garbage logic that belongs in the dumpster.
"There's all these guys who pretend they've gone to the moon and they're lying therefore the Apollo moon landing was fake". That's literally what the above meme is saying here.

And besides...evidence for gas chambers doesn't come from Holocaust survivors in the first place! By definition, survivors know nothing about gas chambers, otherwise they wouldn't be here to tell the tale. So even if all survivors lied it still wouldn't change a thing.

 

Perhaps, like me, we knew its purpose but decided not to play the game.

 

Clear proof of the secret Armenian domination of the Western world.

I'm pretty sure this is wrong. Jews were used for all manner of duties in the camps including the disposal of bodies, pulling teeth & removing hair from the dead etc. Some of them survived, so there were survivors who knew a good deal about gas chambers. There were also people they told about what they saw. Of course, like every other aspect of the holocaust, survivor testimony is but one component of the evidence.

 

If anyone is interested here is an article by Timothy Snyder. He believes that the 'holocaust' has not been properly presented for two reasons. One of those being it being portrayed to be at Auschwitz which was a death and work camp and in which Western European Jews largely met their fate. However before Auschwitz was even opened he writes the vast majority of Jews had already been killed in Eastern Europe and Russia. He goes on to describe the Nazis plan for mass killings of millions of civilians in Eastern Europe and Russia to take over their land. However he also mentions the mass killings of the Soviets all of which also would rightly he says fall into the worst crime against humanity ever and he also goes into the killing of German captured soldiers, itself also a grave crime.

While the holocaust happened by emphasising Auschwitz which was at the time in Germany not Poland and ignoring the importance of the mass killing of most Jews in Eastern Europe and Russia as well as the massive crimes against humanity committed by the Russians we do not have a balanced view of things.

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2009/07/16/holocaust-the-ignored-reality/

 

The "sonderkommandos" had a very short life expectancy. They had no contact with other prisonners and were killed on a regular basis to keep the secret. Not to mention going to a room with poison gas all day. As far as I know there isn't a single first hand testimony of sonderkommandos that involves gas chambers.

 

Quite true, the killing of Jews alone is called the Shoah.

More non-Jews 7 millions were killed in the Holocaust, than Jews, 6 million

One of the more startling aspects of the prisoners at Auschwitz was how cosmopolitan they were, people from all races and nationalities were there.

 

Holocaust denial should be criminal,. Libel is not protected under free speech and HD is criminally libel.

Naziism should be forbidden everywhere. If you say you're going to kill me I should be able to defend myself and Nazis believe in killing everyone who isn't them

We should ban Nazis here, they frighten off other patrons

 

If this is right the vast majority of them though were Jews and here the vast majority were from Hungary not Western Europe as Snyder said. According to this, 90% of Jews sent their died. Mind you over 91% of Roma died and 93% of Soviet POW's. It was just that 85% of the people sent there were apparently Jews.

http://70.auschwitz.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89&Itemid=173&lang=en

 

The UK, and the Home Secretary who decided was a Jew, decided not to make Holocaust denial illegal here. He believed that would just give them the ability to claim they were being persecuted for their views. Europe thought they'd all come here though I don't think that has happened. Nick Griffin did not get an easy time on Question Time trying to question the holocaust.

 

Goering and some others wanted to send them to Madagascar and there were some vague maunderings about shipping them to Alaska or Canada at one point, I believe. No one seriously pursued any of them really as they were mainly propaganda for foreign consumption in any case. They meant to kill them from the beginning and that much is clear from how many were killed routinely before the "Final Solution" was implemented in 1941

 

Exactly. Belzec, Sobibor and treblinka were already active by the time Auschwitz was built and not until Auschwitz II/Birkenau did it became a death camp. And the Einsatz gruppen where killing thousands with the help of local militias by mass shooting and burrials. Hitler tried to "moneytize" the jews by keeping them as hostage in concentration camps all over germany and polands but when he declared war on the USA they lost all value to him.

Germany could have tried to justified their killing of jews on national security if they didn't start deporting and killing foreign jews also, even from countries that didn't want to do it by force.

 

Run away with that pretend intellectual superiority that you feign in possessing. Bye-bye then.

 

The right to not be offended? Hilarious notion.

Yes, it's not like such laws cannot be abused.

Ideology could be a factor but there has been some individuals with a genuine interest in world war II history that have been obviously refused from investigating it any further.

Debunked to death? Where are the mass burial sites all throughout Europe?

Oh that's right, nobody is allowed to go looking into that because it has been made illegal.

All those laws in Europe started because of the Holocaust so really you're not doing your argument any service.

That we can at least agree upon.

 

Survivor testimony by and large is biggest contributor of evidence for the Holocaust from what I've read. That's a huge problem from a skeptical point of view.

It's like an alleged rape victim that is intentionally lying because they're making a false rape accusation against somebody. You of course call them out on it where they sit back and smile saying that don't have to provide any evidence at all. Their response is simply, "you should believe in me or my story.", even if their accusations are false. Now imagine a world where the false rape accusers make a law where it is illegal to question, criticize, or say anything opposite to their claims.

Obviously not the same subject but certainly some parallels to this analogy.

At any rate I am of the mind that many Jews did die during world war II I just don't believe they were intentionally systematically murdered. More likely the war disrupted supplies of food, medicine, and other basic necessities where the internment camps (not death camps) suffered a horrible fate where many died. It was the same for ordinary Germans also I imagine when the supplies ran out into cities and small townships.