Christianity Has Lost Its Fundamental Principle!!!

Get the nails ready. He's supposed to destroy the world and kill all life.

The new movie Promethus hints at this problem. Just because someone created you does it give them the right to kill you? Should you meekly accept their judgment? Or should you fight back?

 

Good luck with fighting back!

 

You're going to die so you might as well die fighting instead of wimpering on your knees. You might kill one or two.

 

What's "radical" about calling a spade a spade where religion is concerned?

 

think if I saw this guy coming, I would run and hide, btw, when the bible talks about the "Word of God", it means this guy, not the book


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 19:11-16&version=KJV

11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.



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The Sun isn't going to be coming to us until millions of years down the road at least, when it eventually starts shutting down and enters its red giant stage. Then the planet will be burned to a cinder, if it survives at all.

So, true, there won't be any fighting back against that. On the other hand, none of us will be around to try it.

... Jesus = sun, of course. His entire story is based on the sun's course through the zodiac, both over the course of a year and in the "great year," as well as specifically at winter solstice and spring equinox, events with great significance in the Gospels.

That's the true origin of the Christ myth that you never get to hear about in Sunday School, mainly because early Christians jealously destroyed as much of the evidence as they could. Despite that, though, we know a thing or two about Osiris, Mithras and other sun-based messiahs and heroes.



Christmas... He was born of Virgo and Boötes (who stand together in the December sky), and the wicked Serpens Caput waited to devour the child (hence the fictitious account of Herod having all the first born male children slain at that time - lots of luck finding that one corroborated by historians or archaeological evidence). This same scene is repeated in the book of Revelation, by the way:

12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

... Purely astrological in nature. Epic-sounding tales based on the constellations and how the sun seems to move in relation to them. Naturally the 12 apostles correspond to the 12 houses of the zodiac.

Easter.. Springtime, when the sun crosses the ecliptic and rises into heaven. Of course, it's also the time when Christ began his ministry, just after his encounter with the Water Bearer, Aquarius, aka John the Baptist. Later, Judas Scorpio gave him a deadly betraying kiss in Autumn.

Then there is of course the grand finale, the crucifixion and resurrection. Three days in darkness, in the tomb, in death. A parallel of the story of Jonah, of course, and something mentioned by Christ:

38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

At winter solstice, the sun reaches its lowest point in the southern sky, and for three days it appears to stop altogether; it is dead, slain. Then the miracle: It begins to rise again. It is revived! Hallelujah! And so it is living again until equinox, when as mentioned earlier, it ascends into power and glory when it crosses above the eclipic.

This leaves the mystery of the Great Year. It is the solar precession, the phenomenon of the sun appearing to be a little bit farther back in the zodiac at the same time each year, as measured at spring equinox. Thus, over thousands of years (right around 2,000 years per zodiacal house, in fact), the sun precedes through the zodiac, and so the ancient astrologers recognised "ages" according to this. When Christ purportedly came, surprise surprise, the sun was just entering Pisces, the fish. How do we symbolise Jesus even today? That's right:



Ichthys, the fish. That is why fish and fishing play a role in the Gospels. Jesus also spoke about it once:

Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

What age? The Age of Pisces. So, you know what? If he was a real demigod and was about to come back in physical form, he'd be due now, because his age is ending. As the 5th Dimension sang, It's the dawning of the Age of Aquarius! The sun, in other words, has preceded these past 2,000 years through Pisces and is now entering Aquarius (again, as measured at spring equinox).

http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/2221/
By Lois Tilton (LTilton)
March 20, 2012

Happy New Year! According to many of our ancestors and some cultures today, the new year begins on the Vernal Equinox, the first day of spring.

 

I wonder why you never get to hear about it .
Well , hearing about it nearly changed my life this morning .
I was eating a sandwich at the time .
Very nearly my last breaths due to crumbs going in the wrong places .

 

The bible says salvation is written in the stars......Appreciate the confirmation!

 

What Jesus preached for three and a half years was the gospel of the kingdom. At the heart of the gospel is love, yes, but that would be a simplification of what the gospel is about. And it’s not just believing in Jesus, one must first believe the gospel that He preached. Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, the harvest is plenty but the laborers are few. Meaning, that there is not enough people who are preaching the gospel, because if there were, many more would respond......Jesus said, the kingdom is being taken by force. People are seeking the kingdom, but only some find it. So people are not really hostile or oppose to the gospel or Christianity, it that the message is not even presented to them at all. What is typically presented is a message of fear…..repent or you are going to Hell. Jesus never presented the gospel in that way, because the gospel means good news.

 

Perhaps this will make you feel better. There is no logical reason for an atheist to talk down religion, particularly since religion plays an important role in society. A true atheist should simply ignore religions and religious beliefs. This tells me there is more to the current crop of atheists than just disbelieving a deity. I think it is purely political and, hence, they are something you should ignore.

 

I'm with you totally here. The gospel is not a message of fear and condemnation. Jesus never condemned the sinner, however, he didn't hold back when it came the pharasees who were the supposed representatives of God that were not demonstrating his virtues! The bible says "the fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom", which is misunderstood. If you don't believe in him, how can you fear him. This is obviously a message for the believer.

 

It was the man that came up to Jesus and ask Him about the commandments so Jesus answered his question. So what Jesus told him not the gospel, and it was a one time thing. But what Jesus preached more than anything else was about the kingdom. That was what His parables were about. What is a kingdom? A kindgdom has at least one king, a territory and subjects. Jesus was inviting any and all who hear the gospel, that if they believe that messge and repent they would rule with Him when He return. The gospel is about man's purpose for there existance, that is why Jesus said it was preached to the poor. One of the purpose for God making man is to represent Him.......God wants to dominate creation through man. The gospel is not about going to Heaven......God will come and live with man......God is going to move in and live on the Earth with us.

But before one can obey one must believe the gospel........Jesus said repent and believe the gospel.

Mark 1:14-15 (ASV)
14 Now after John was delivered up, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
15 and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe in the gospel.

Its interesting that Jesus never preached about Himself nor did He tell people to give there heart to Him......He never even preached calvery. It is very important to believe the gospel, because one can believe in Jesus but reject the gospel......they teach doctrines of men. Mainstream Christianity is more about a religion than it is about The kingdom of God, in which all His childern will rule over all things with Him.

Matthew 15:9 (ASV)
9 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men.


Jesus said many would say that He is the Christ but decieve many. By preaching a message about Jesus but ignore His message one is preaching a false gospel and thereby decieve those who believe what they are saying.

Matthew 24:4-5 (ASV)
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man lead you astray.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; and shall lead many astray.

The reason why Jesus was harsh on the Pharisees is because they knew better.....they knew He was sent by God, but they were more interested in securing their position as stooge for the Roman Empire......they feared the Romans more than they did God.

 

We are getting into semantics here and endless interpretations. We are essentially saying the same thing a different way. This is where the real message of Christ becomes lost, which is through unnecessary complexities. The underpinning principles of Christianity is Love, and love unconditionally!

 

The gospel is about man's dominion......without a kingdom there cannot be dominion, and in the word kingdom there is the word king. So even if you tell people that Jesus is about love but ignore the gospel you are preaching a false gospel.

 

Right.....I think I can see where you are going......You're a Jehovah's witness!! In any instance you've got a very strange interpretation or take on the Gospel. I'm not criticising JW because I don't know enough about this denomination, all I can base my concern on is your post. Start a new thread along these lines of demoninational differences, I think it would be a very interesting discussions. I mean that genuinely.

 

Under more pious conditions I would simply ignore the atheists among us. However, seeing how I have to live in a world that is integrated with atheists, socialists, commies, progressives, liberals and marxists alike, I find it critical that I fight against our enemies and the enemies of GOD at the same time. Besides, ignoring these lowlifes would make me look like a chicken shiiite with no backbone to continue preaching the Christian way in our troubled world. And a chicken shiiite I am not.

 

Well, hehe, actually....

 

Why? Because I use the word kingdom? Then you are saying the Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, including Jesus are Jehovah's witnesses. The word kingdom in the New Testament is mentioned more than anything else in the New Testament. Why do you think Jesus is called king of kings and Lord of lords........do you think that it’s just meaningless words that they use? Only kings sit on thrones and wear a crown a religious figures do not.

The reason why what I’m saying seems like something a Jehovah's witness would say is because most everyone else has been preaching a false gospel……you have believed a false gospel. It’s hard for most people living in a democratic society to understand the kingdom of God, because they think that God believes in the democratic system. God is sovereign and He cannot be voted out of His position, and you don’t elect God into office either. God owns everything, similar to an Earthly king…..a king even owns the citizens and whatever the citizen has. Democracy is against God because it says no one should be in power forever…..he must serve a limited term and let someone else takes over.

Maybe I should, even though I did post an op on the subject of what is the gospel of the kingdom......but I don't think most got it, because they were tying to grasp the concept of the kingdom of God through the lens of democracy. I'm not a JW by the way.

 

And those with the loudest "message" are the hellfire and brimstone ones. Those with the message of love tend to show it in action, not so much in words.

 

Heh, looks like I've given you reputation too recently to give you more for this one

 

http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/pcc/pcc03.htm

At the time of the life or recorded appearance of Jesus of Nazareth, and for some centuries before, the Mediterranean and neighboring world had been the scene of a vast number of pagan creeds and rituals. There were Temples without end dedicated to gods like Apollo or Dionysus among the Greeks, Hercules among the Romans, Mithra among the Persians, Adonis and Attis in Syria and Phrygia, Osiris and Isis and Horus in Egypt, Baal and Astarte among the Babylonians and Carthaginians, and so forth. Societies, large or small, united believers and the devout in the service or ceremonials connected with their respective deities, and in the creeds which they confessed concerning these deities. And an extraordinarily interesting fact, for us, is that notwithstanding great geographical distances and racial differences between the adherents of these various cults, as well as differences in the details of their services, the general outlines of their creeds and ceremonials were--if not identical--so markedly similar as we find them.

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I cannot of course go at length into these different cults, but I may say roughly that of all or nearly all the deities above-mentioned it was said and believed that:

(1) They were born on or very near our Christmas Day.

(2) They were born of a Virgin-Mother.

(3) And in a Cave or Underground Chamber.

(4) They led a life of toil for Mankind.

(5) And were called by the names of Light-bringer, Healer, Mediator, Savior, Deliverer.

(6) They were however vanquished by the Powers of Darkness.

(7) And descended into Hell or the Underworld.

(8 ) They rose again from the dead, and became the pioneers of mankind to the Heavenly world.

(9) They founded Communions of Saints, and Churches into which disciples were received by Baptism.

(10) And they were commemorated by Eucharistic meals.

Let me give a few brief examples.

Mithra was born in a cave, and on the 25th December. 1 He was born of a Virgin. 2 He traveled far and wide as a teacher and illuminator of men. He slew the Bull (symbol of the gross Earth which the sunlight fructifies). His great festivals were the winter solstice and the Spring equinox (Christmas and Easter). He had twelve companions or disciples (the twelve months). He was buried in a tomb, from which however he rose again; and his resurrection was celebrated yearly with great rejoicings. He was called Savior and Mediator, and sometimes figured as a Lamb; and sacramental feasts in remembrance of him were held by his followers. This legend is apparently partly astronomical

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and partly vegetational; and the same may be said of the following about Osiris.

Osiris was born (Plutarch tells us) on the 361st day of the year, say the 27th December. He too, like Mithra and Dionysus, was a great traveler. As King of Egypt he taught men civil arts, and "tamed them by music and gentleness, not by force of arms"; 1 he was the discoverer of corn and wine. But he was betrayed by Typhon, the power of darkness, and slain and dismembered. "This happened," says Plutarch, "on the 17th of the month Athyr, when the sun enters into the Scorpion" (the sign of the Zodiac which indicates the oncoming of Winter). His body was placed in a box, but afterwards, on the 19th, came again to life, and, as in the cults of Mithra, Dionysus, Adonis and others, so in the cult of Osiris, an image placed in a coffin was brought out before the worshipers and saluted with glad cries of "Osiris is risen." "His sufferings, his death and his resurrection were enacted year by year in a great mystery-play at Abydos." 2

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Jesus - Isus - was part of a solar hero fad in that time and region of the world. His legend then lost its fundamental principal in the Roman church and was taken literally by its adherents as evidence of its heavenly origins were lost to both ignorance and purposeful effort to destroy all traces of the astrology and solar worship that birthed it in the first place.

You're an unwitting sun-worshiper.

 

Money , Monety , Money .
And with the Roman Catholic Church , Money and Sex of all kids .

 

This is a free country. And that means freedom to leave and live in your kind of country with your same beliefs. The USA will never be a 100% christian country as we are free to be any or none or all as our religious choice.

 

Well they need to start preaching it because Jesus said it is to be preached......Jesus will not return until the gospel is preached everywhere.

Matthew 24:14 (ASV)
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come.

 

This is the reason why I have a lifetime job ahead of me in weeding out the chaff.