The public sees through Trump’s national emergency lies. A new poll confirms it.

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  1. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A new poll reveals that the public isn't buying the national emergency Trump has concocted to force taxpayers to pay for the wall that Mexico was going to pay for.

    Not only do Americans generally fail to support him but much of his own base is disinterested.
    But there is one group that supports him strongly - those intolerant hypocrites known as evangelical Christians.
    So it comes down to this - Americans don't want the wall and don't believe there's an emergency. He doesn't have the votes in Congress to do this legally.

    Trump is behaving like a dictator.

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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL at intolerant hypocrites.... pretty much sums that slime up to me...

    But I disagree with you on one point... if the Congress doesn't find 2/3rds vote to override his veto, he likely WILL have the votes in Congress to do this legally (pending the pile of legal challenges).

    This has to become a red line that those in Congress shouldn't cross... Any that do need to be HEAVILY targeted (politically) in 2020....
     
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    I am thoroughly surprised that this thread has existed for more than an hour without a single trumpette jumping to say that "polls don't matter."

    The US Senators and US Congressmen whose jobs depend on the support of the people absolutely do care about polls. And 60% disapproval rating for any policy decision will at least be enough to force Trump into using his very first veto - just to keep a national emergency declaration in operation.
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What I meant was that he doesn't have the votes to do it without declaring an emergency. I consider the emergency bit to be about as kosher as a Trump golf scorecard.

    They know this works both ways. A future Democrat President can declare an emergency and institute universal health care, reduced drug prices, environmental protections and all the other terrible evil things they are accused of plotting.
     
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    Spooky Banned Donor

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    Learn your politics there bud.

    A national emergency is very specific in the powers it releases to the president.

    A president doesn't get a blank check of cash when he declares one, there are certain places the money, if money is even the issue, has to come from.

    If that money is already allocated for an expenditure it cannot be touched.

    Trump got lucky that there was reserve cash with the military, which does fall under the national emergency act and that building the wall is related to his national emergency powers.

    Declaring an emergency to ban guns or pass health care does not fall under the powers given to a president when he declares a national emergency.

    You really should go read up on this a bit before posting.
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol, you are by far the least knowledgeable member of this forum. Ever.
     
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    Spooky Banned Donor

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    Obviously.

    Your long list of examples is overwhelming.

    lol
     
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    Nice little fun fact.
    Ovomits National emergencies
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Got this image hot and ready today, didja?? It's only the 2nd time I've seen it and it's already tiresome (and incorrect)...
     
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    Those are some nice twists and lies there, but nearly every single one of those National Emergencies declared by Obama to "aid" those countries were SANCTIONS against them.


    Or for instance, the "aid" to Central Africa was related to the 2013 Ebola Outbreak. I guess Republicans would have preferred to wait on Congressional bureaucracy to work through before taking action on that one.
     
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    The Wall = Cynical joke.

    Only fools are fooled by it.
     
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    Must you guys always prove to be such easy targets?

    From your poll:

    Party Identification

    Democrat n/a 34%

    Republican n/a 26%

    Independent n/a 37%


    Oversampling Democrats by 8 points. LOL They saw you coming a mile away and spoonfed you exactly what you wanted with a rigged poll.

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    Just remember you are arguing with folks who weren't even smart enough even check the numbers on the poll they were spouting :)
     
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    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but there's always room for one more! :roflol::roflol:
     
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    I think/hope even a conservative Superior court can recognize the severity (or lack) of trump's emergency.
     
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    Yup.
     
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    The courts have been very hesitant to restrict presidents in matters like this.

    Hesitant is even too strong a word.

    Just with the Supreme Court alone they almost refuse to get in between disputes between the president and congress which is what this is.

    Trump couldn't get it through congress so he did an end around.

    Fair enough, it's allowed and within his power.

    Congress has the full ability to override him and take their power back though so if they don't I don't see the Court stepping in to do their job for them.

    Constitutionally there is no criteria for what a national emergency must entail, therefore a president could evoke it for any reason they see fit until congress changes that.
     
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    For the uninformed who think that Democrats are "oversampled" by 8% in this poll, I would like to inform you that the 2018 midterms also saw Democrats "oversampled" by 8.6%.
     
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    Wait - you were just arguing that a National Emergency can't include guns or climate change - but now you argue that there is NO criteria for what a National Emergency must entail ... I guess that law degree comes from staying in a Holiday Inn last night ...
     
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    They have to keep saying they are in the majority because to face reality will be psychologically crushing for them. What does a party that keeps screaming “we represent Americans” revert to when they no longer do?

    The answer is extremism. They will not abandon “conservatism” they will abandon democracy.
     
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    Other polls say 80% support the wall. It could very well be that only half of that 80% support the wall but don't think its a national emergency. This is the problem with polls.
     
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    Bullshit. You dont have a single poll that says 80% support the wall.
     
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    That's what I thought. The closest this study comes to supporting you is found in the last paragraph.

    "Secure border" does not mean "trump's wall"

    Hell, the overwhelming percentage of people do not think of trump's wall as "a combination physical and electronic barrier." Every other survey, when asking whether you support trump's wall, find a support around the 45% mark.
     
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    Funny how even ultra conservative Ann Coulter calls Trump an "idiot" for making this ridiculous claim and asserts that only the most stupid among his disciples believe that garbage. Interesting how Trump's deluded right wing supporters remain silent rather than criticize her like Bush's disciples did with the Dixie Chicks when they spoke about Bush_Stupid's treasonous war.
     

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