The electoral college needs to go, its broken and only serves to disenfranchise voters

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  1. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Issues

    • The GOP has only won the popular vote once since 1988 but they have won the presidency 3 times. If Trump wins the EC again (Never ever ever ever ever ever will he win the popular vote) and loses the popular vote that will mean 3 out of 4 GOP wins is via the EC and not the people.
    • It is FPTP meaning the in a state that is 51% one party the other 49% have no say in the presidency.
    • These Presidents who are not wanted by the people are getting to stack the courts forcing the will OF THE MINORITY onto the whole country. (Muh minority rule is freedum ur majority rule is tyranny)
    Fixes
    1. Have the Lower House elect the executive like most other countries. So the house of reps decides the President.

    2. Popular vote so that 2000 and 2016 never happen again

    3. Make the presidents unaffiliated and have everyone from all parties on the same ballot and then do preliminary and the top 2 go head to head in the EC system.

    Our current system is a mess. In a few decades we could have a situation where only around 10% elect the president as more and more people move out of the centre of the country.


    The GOP will die if they are not forced to change
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...n-force-republicans-change-column/1558858001/
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member

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    The gop is vastly out of touch with the majority of Americans and they know it. They just don’t care anymore. It’s win my any means necessary, we saw plenty of examples of this in 2018 — it’s only bound to get worse.

    We need to implement ranked voting and secure our elections for all Americans.

    Thankfully two of the largest demographic backers for the gop are on the decline so hopefully that alone will make them reevaluate their party platform. Young republicans are much less extreme than your average republican but young democrats seem to be more extreme than your average democrat.

    It’s going to come to a head eventually
     
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    Yet the Democratic Party has an electoral college system for its primaries, it isn't based on the popular vote.

    Give it up, libs, it would take a Constitutional amendment to change the electoral college, flyover states will never vote to surrender their power to 20 blue counties.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sorry your gal lost.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    No it would only take enough states to enact the NPV bill to reach 271 electoral votes half way there
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Only by 3M more votes ;)
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Donor

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    Participation trophy perhaps?
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    The dumb arse voters in MI, PA and WI will not make the same mistake again. They voted Republican for the first time since FDR (minus Reagan) and Trump has clearly shown them it as a mistake.

    They majority voted against him, but if you want to call that a win then go ahead
     
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    How about we mame sure illegal aliens aren't voting like obama told them to before we mess around with the EC? Mmmmkay.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

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    The Electoral College puts state governments in charge of election of the President.
    It's a winner take all system, but at least that process keeps the integrity of the election results in the hands of states. If we didn't have that system, elections could become very contentious and contested, with states having a reason to fake the election results under their jurisdiction.

    That's what those who want to get rid of the Electoral college do not understand.

    Yes, might not be the most inherently fair, but it helps guarantee fairness by preserving the integrity of election results by making it decentralized. A state that supports candidate A will never suppress minority votes for candidate B, because it doesn't matter, all their electors will still choose candidate A. This keeps the federal government out of the state's business.
     
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    Sour grapes from the Left. You would like to see two or three highly populated states determine the outcome of every election over the will of most of the other states. LA County alone has over 10 million people, more than 41 states. Four times the number Hillary had over Trump in votes. While most of the nation was for Trump. If we went by the popular vote, all you would have to do is control the media in those big states like they do with the NY and LA Times and you could win every time. I think it's obvious when you look at the map and the counties won all over the nation that where you don't have a heavy population and heavily bias media, that most of the country wanted Trump. I think our forefathers were smart enough to see this and wanted to make sure that all the states had a voice in the outcome of the vote, not just 2 or 3.


    Los Angeles County, California - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_County,_California
    Los Angeles County, officially the County of Los Angeles, (Spanish: Condado de Los Ángeles) is the most populous county in the United States, with more than 10 million inhabitants as of 2017. Its population is larger than that of 41 individual U.S. states.



    The Latest Numbers on the Election: Popular Vote, Counties Won
    www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2193047-latest-numbers-on-the-election/
    Dec 1, 2016 - While Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by at least 2.5 million votes, Trump won more than 2700 out of 3143 counties across the United ...
    That's only 443 counties for Hillary. 2,700 for Trump.


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    Convene a Constitutional Convention and see how far you get. The Electoral College is a testament to the genius of the Founders.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    The same people who thought only land owning white men should vote?
     
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    Who are those ?? Is that in the Constitution ??
     
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    ROFLMAO!! The majority of the white vote has went Republican in every election in the last 50 years. There is no question that the will of the majority of white voters is being thwarted. It will be interesting to see what percentage of the white vote Trump gets in the next election. Four years of non-stop white bashing from the MSM and the Democratic Party has to have awakened a sense of white identity in many whites who previously didn't care. The Democrats have clearly set the narrative that existence is a battle for resources and that whites are hogging them at the expense of minorities. Don't think this will ever change. Racial identity politics will be played from now on by by the Democrats because they are fully aware of the demographic shift.

    Dd8ed, you must be aware that the BY FAR the most tolerant race to homosexuality is whites. Conservative whites like me don't give a damn about a person's sex partners. In the meantime, 44% of LGBT POCs have reported harassment because of their sexuality (by other POCs). How do you think it's going to turn for out gays when whites become a small minority in America? Feel free to take a look at the countries that brown/Muslim immigrants are streaming into America from. Feel free to also look at the countries that are most tolerant of gays because they have something in common (Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Ireland, etc...) Feel free to also look at the countries that are least tolerant of gays because they also have something in common (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia). Dude, you are importing the future oppressors of gays in Western countries. Do you have any sense of self-preservation? Check out what is happening in Minneapolis which got a heaping dose of "diversity" from Somalia.... https://www.aberdeennews.com/wire/a...cle_60d9b04d-0578-59c2-b499-82c2803ca628.html ..... people your side imported who hate gays are now holding positions of power.

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    :lol:
    Good luck changing the constitution.
    :lol:
     
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    The NPVC, absent approval from congress, violates the Constitution.
     
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    You'll notice that after 88 California has its largest jump in ec votes and you'll also notice after 1970 short form census (which were the ones most sent out) didn't have a citizenship question.

    So you couple those together and one can surmise that Democrats were/are counting illegal immigrats and those fictious numbers are used to determine ec votes giving states like California and Texas more power than they should have.
     
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    ..... have you never read the ****ing constitution?
     
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    Your average :censored: has no idea what the EC is for. Most :censored: have been brainwashed to believe it is some kinda racist tool used by the white man to keep himself in power.
     
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    You really need to stop talking about things you know nothing about.
    1948: MI PA
    1952: MI PA WI
    1956: MI PA WI
    1960: WI
    1968: WI
    1972: MI PA WI
    1988: MI PA
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No answer. Typical.
     
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    You realize the original constitution allowed only white land owning males above the age of 21 to vote?
     
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    You know how a bratty child will pick up the Monopoly board and throw it when they lose the game?

    Yeah, that's what this is.
     
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