US Lawmakers Seek to Criminalize Boycotts of Israel

The 1967 Six-Day War
arabterrorism.tripod.com/FAQ/war1967.html
Partial list:

May 14, 1967: Egypt's President Gamal Nasser demands the withdrawal of United Nations force--established in 1957 as an international "guarantee" of safety for Israel--from the Sinai peninsula.
The UN meekly obeys; the United States and Britain fail to rouse the Security Council to take action.

(Taxonomy26 note: Strange move for someone playing 'defense' and not itself planning attack)

May 15: Three Egyptian army divisions and 600 tanks roll into the Sinai. World community does nothing.

May 17: Cairo Radio's Voice of the Arabs: "All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel."

May 18: 'Voice of the Arabs' announces: "As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is a total war which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence."


May 18: Nasser announces blockade of Straits of Tiran in the Red Sea, severing Israel's southern maritime link to the outside world. Israel considers the closure an act of war.
(US President Lyndon Johnson later says: "If a single act of folly was more Responsible for this explosion than any other it was the arbitrary and Dangerous announced decision that the Straits of Tiran would be closed.")


May 20: Syria's defence minister (ex-president) Hafez el-Assad says: "Our forces are now ready not only to repulse the aggression but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united ..."

May 27: Nasser: "Our basic objection will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

May 30: Nasser : "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel."

May 30: Jordan's King Hussein signs a five-year mutual defence pact with Egypt and the two set up a joint command, making clear its stance in any future conflict.

My 31: Egyptian newspaper Al Akhbar reports: "Under terms of the military agreement signed with Jordan, Jordanian artillery, co-ordinated with the forces of Egypt and Syria, is in a position to cut Israel in two ..."

May 31: Iraqi President Rahman Aref announces: "This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear--to wipe Israel off the map."

June 4: Iraq joins Nasser's military alliance against Israel.

June 5: Six Day War begins: Israeli Airforce attacks airfields in Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq.

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You compared it again and again with oil countries, to now for the first time mention Jordan! lol

I found by using YOUR link the GDP you claimed to be that of Gaza is that of Jordan! lol
Who is lying now?

 

You Can't be that Stupid,
Ergo, You must be Lying
Here's my post #119
with VALID GOOGLE GDP Numbers/LINKS.

WTF is the matter with you?

 

Your lying conserns the dishonest comparison of
"Imagine Saudi Arabia without oil money." post 73.
And you stuck with that lying till post 119.

As I noted:
That "GDP Per Capita in Gaza is.. $6100 !
https://www.google.com/search?q=gaz....1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.94.bT1NGddgAzc"
gives me this:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=gz&v=67
Showing Jordan GDP is 6100, and no gaza.

WTF is wrong with you with making such a blatant lie?


http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD
West Bank and Westbank and Gaza at 2,943.4.
So you can bet your butt Gaza is much lower than that, since they got the blockade and not the WB.
And Jordan is over 9000 according to the world bank.

 

quote is real. Congrats to trying to debunk it by just your biased opinion.

 

Were exactly did I say anything about war?

State of war definition:
a : a state of actual armed hostilities regardless of a formal declaration of war
b : a legal state created and ended by official declaration regardless of actual armed hostilities and usually characterized by operation of the rules of war

Israel and Egypt were in a state of war in 1967. Deal with it.

 

C'mon....buy an Orange......C'mon.........

 

I dont understand why ppl get so upset here, Arabs and their kin ALL use Israeli producs when they post here each and every time, this whole boycott nonesense is soooo 1930's, suits the Arab propaganda........

 

So why are 'they' trying to criminalise any boycott of Israeli products?

 

"They" are Americans, I'm Israeli, ask "them", my guess your BDS is regarded as an orgenized crime org that threats and harrases ordinary ppl while spreading propaganda, they also have some laws against BDS in Europe because of that, you still have th eright to boycott and protest and ppl have th eright to keep your hate away from their kids, seems right to me....

 

Are you claiming that the attack on the Liberty did not happen? Or that it was "a mistaken identity" situation?

The Israeli government is and has been a criminal organization, not unlike the US government. Both export war and aggression.

 

I know in terms of who shot the first bullet it was IRA, but in terms of what was getting ready to happen, Egypt was preparing... It is just like if we now take a shot at North K, it is because of what they will do sooner or later. That guy is a madman, like Trump. We have created a mess around the world. We did that !

 

As I noted earlier in this thread, the fact that a bill to criminalize private boycotts has gotten this far only speaks to the degree foreign Zionist lobbies control US Domestic & Mid-East policy.
Regrettably, very few people know the full extent of Zionist/Israeli parasitism and the true cost to the US in American blood, money, stolen secrets & betrayal extracted by Israel, it's hired shills(1), lobbies & spies.

Can you think of another country whose lobbies are powerful enough to get the US to fight wars for them:
“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

Thanks





(1) “Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook”
https://electronicintifada.net/blog...ts-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook”

EXCERPT “The National Union of Israeli Students (NUIS) has become a full-time partner in the Israeli government’s efforts to spread its propaganda online and on college campuses around the world.

NUIS has launched a program to pay Israeli university students $2,000 to spread pro-Israel propaganda online for 5 hours per week from the “comfort of home.”

The union is also partnering with Israel’s Jewish Agency to send Israeli students as missionaries to spread propaganda in other countries, for which they will also receive a stipend.

This active recruitment of Israeli students is part of Israel’s orchestrated effort to suppress the Palestinian solidarity movement under the guise of combating “delegitimization” of Israel and anti-Semitism.”CONTINUED

 

"arabterrorism" as a source?

What, you couldn't find "Muslimbabyeaters"

Keep trying.

 

If you're attempting to justify what an expansionist State thinks "...was getting ready to happen..." the result will be very predictable.

There is far more to the "'67 War" than is commonly known & Israel's deliberate attack on our USS Liberty was a salient factor of the little known "Operation Cyanide".

"USS Liberty: Operation Cyanide: Russians to the rescue"
https://sites.google.com/site/onedemocraticstatesite/archives/uss-liberty-operation-cyanide

EXCERPT "The top-secret plan was known as Operation Cyanide and was intended to result in the sinking of the Liberty with all hands, to be blamed on Egypt and exploited to permit the bombing of Cairo and the entry of the United States into the war on Israel’s side. The Soviet Union’s relationships with Arab countries would have been damaged and perhaps cut, with America and Israel seizing control of all Mid-East oil production. Israel’s borders would have expanded from the Nile to the Euphrates Rivers. "CONTINUED


I know that the "Soviet rescue" story may sound a little incredible but given the fact that Zionist elements in the US Government were behind in the planning of the Liberty attack & subsequent cover-up, nothing seems too bizarre.

On one thing I think we can unconditionally agree & that is your assertion that: "We have created a mess around the world."

Thanks

 

Nope. I did not lie. Here is what I said

It is you who is being dishonest saying I lied.

Yes we all know, the people of Lebanon needed encouragement to commit the Sabra and Shatila massacres

as to what I wrote I left a link.

No truth in this either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_war_crimes_in_the_2006_Lebanon_War

The real issue was what my Lebanese friend said.

above link

as I said and left link your 80's invasion of Lebanon lost you the support and friendship of the Shiite population and led to the creation of Hezbolla

and in 2006 you lost the support of the Maronite Christians due to you experimenting on your new Dahiya doctrine against them leading to lack of care of civilians as per the rules of war and massive destruction of civilian infrastructure. Hence by her own actions Israel lost the support of Lebanon's Shiites and Maronite Christians.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...ongside-Hezbollah-in-a-war-with-Israel-483178

I am not suggesting by this link that the Lebanon army in any way is comparable to Israel's - just that now we find with a Maronite Christian President having changed his views on Israel and Hezbolla after the 2006 Israeli onslaught.

 

That is a lie, since hezbollah was not created when the PLO invaded and oppressed the shia - they were a tool created much later by iran to attack Israel with, not free the shia. That was merely a byproduct, especially since many lebanese shia were/are against iran.

Riiiiiiight, because as everything from global warming to muslim cultural failings - that's Israel's fault, too. Do you see a jew under your bed when you go to sleep at night?

Oh, your lebanese friend said it - so that means the BBC and NYT need to restructure their news division because they haven't been including your friend's thoughts in their columns lately.

Sure there isn't

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/world/middleeast/28refugees.html

"Many Christians from Ramesh and Ain Ebel considered Hezbollah’s fighting methods as much of an outrage as the Israeli strikes. Mr. Amar said Hezbollah fighters in groups of two and three had come into Ain Ebel, less than a mile from Bint Jbail, where most of the fighting has occurred. They were using it as a base to shoot rockets, he said, and the Israelis fired back. One woman, who would not give her name because she had a government job and feared retribution, said Hezbollah fighters had killed a man who was trying to leave Bint Jbail. “This is what’s happening, but no one wants to say it” for fear of Hezbollah, she said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/05/world/middleeast/05mideast.html

"The report says that there were many such examples, and that Hezbollah has been preparing for such an engagement for years, embedding its fighters and their weapons in the Shiite villages of southern Lebanon. When Hezbollah fired its rockets from those areas, Israel faced a choice of attacking, and possibly causing civilian casualties, or refraining from shooting because of the risk, the report said.

Mr. Srour acknowledged that homes used by Hezbollah were more likely to draw fire. But, he said, “better that the house is destroyed and the Israelis don’t enter and come back to conquer Lebanon.” Another captured fighter, Hussein Suleiman, explained how he had set up a rocket-firing position on the front porch of a house on the outskirts of Aita al Shaab. A third Hezbollah man, Maher Kourani, said group members had worn civilian clothes, tried never to show their weapons, and traveled in ordinary civilian cars. “We use Volvos, Mercedes, BMW,” he said. “We use Range Rovers, too.”

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I'll take their word over your "friend's" any day of the week.

Try facts in for a change, they might fit.

 

again you are being dishonest saying I am lying.

and of course where your distortion and dishonesty continues. I never said that was the situation. I shall again quote what I said

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-criminalize-boycotts-of-israel.510286/page-7

That was my response to you expecting the Lebanese Shiite to have expelled the PLO from Lebanon. The relevance being that they were the weakest group in Lebanon and were originally very pleased to see Israel coming in to get them out. However your occupation caused them to turn against you and gave rise to Hexbolla already explained.

As far as Sharon's involvement in Sabra and Shatila massacres. This is well known.

when someone has no argument all they can resort to is antisemitism. How sad. - no how pathetic. If writing what is the truth which I have done ought to make someone afraid of Jews then you are the person with the guilty conscience.

Was confirmed in the information I left.

The woman I mentioned was a war photographer. She said that when people had been dropped leaflets to leave. Israel then bombed their convoy. This fits with the above.

No, you are reporting Israel's propaganda and excuses. They were refuted by Hezbollah These were not found by Independent investigators to be true. As for captured fighters well no one believes what captured fighter say. Give it a break.

Of course you will. Israel propaganda is your fort. However you are not saying is that my friend's word was also that of the Independent Investigators - at least to the point that Israel had promised to do what she said they had done.

which I have given and you ignore. This is getting boring. The bottom line is your 1982 war began with you having the support of Lebanon's Shiites who invited Israeli soldiers into their homes for coffee. It ended with you having lost their support and Hezbollah having come into being. Prior to the 82 war it was believed that Israel and Lebanon would soon be officially friends.

Your 2006 war and your implication of the Dahiya doctrine intended to terrify civilians which did not follow the rules of war on due care of civilians and the bombing of civilian infrastructure caused you to also lose the support of the Maronite Christians so much so that now they are suggesting that the next Israeli war will be met by a join force of Lebanon's military and Hezbollah. That is the point. That is reality. That is what I said.

 

The days of having a terror org running in Lebanon detached from formal Lebanon policies are over, obviously they cannot rid themselves from the fanatics or not intersted to, to us it makes no diffrence, we are not here to be shot at for the sake of a peacful Lebanon, if they know it good for them, its the first step of taking responsibility, a new concept in the Arab world.

 

Morning Gilos. Whether Hezbollah are a terrorist organisation or not is questionable. When your country is occupied people have a right to resist. Admittedly they did not disarm after but I heard Israel also did not obey the rules of that cease fire. The EU only named Hezbulla military as a terrorist organisation due to pressure from the UK after the Bulgaria terrorist attack. However it is very dubious that it was them - at the very most circumstantial evidence which would not hold up in a Scottish court. Much more likely to be an ISIS/Alqueda type blowing themselves up and so on. Can see nothing Hezbolla would gain. In that respect of course Israel still commits acts of terrorism - killing scientists and so on. Avnery does not believe that Hezbollah are terrorist.

The People of Lebanon are not there to be shot at either. Both Israel and Hezbolla enjoy mouthing off at each other. That can be dangerous. However again my point was simply that your 82 war and subsequent occupation lost you the support of Lebanon's Shiites and led to Hezbollah and your 2006 led to you losing the support of the Lebanese Maronite Christians - now that was some accomplishment. Again just the point was initially Israel had the support of both Lebanon's Shiites and Maronite Christians. It was imagined Lebanon would soon be an acknowledged Friend of Israel. However your two invasions lost you support from everyone there and they have healed their divisions to stand together against you.

 

You mean we had the most support during the bloodiest attacks from Lebanon on our civilians, maybe, excuse me if I prefer the dettrence we have now over the bloody love we had in the 80's, OK to be honest we dont know if they are restreint by the 2006 war or because of Syria keeps them occupied but Nassralla did say if he knew that would be Israel response he wouldnt have murdered and kidnapped those soldiers, so 2006 might have prevented a possible attempt of Hizbi to unite the Arabs following an attack on Israel, either way no Israeli remembers 1980's fondly.

 

According to Avnery the incident which gave rise to Israel's attack was one which normally would just have resulted in a reprisal. He does not know why Israel started this bloody war.

As far as deaths and injuries are concerned '1,109 Lebanese deaths, the vast majority of whom were civilians, 4,399 injured, and an estimated 1 million displaced' whereas for Israel 'the deaths of 43 Israeli civilians and 12 Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers, as well as the wounding of hundreds of Israeli civilians.


https://www.hrw.org/reports/2007/lebanon0907/3.htm

and while obviously Hezbollah firing into civilian areas is a war crime, this is something Israel excels at. I don't have time to read these now but that link above deals with how Israel conducted herself and this one Hezbollah. At a quick look according to HRW you both deliberately killed civilians or at least did not take due care f civilians as per the rules of war. However the number killed was vastly different. Israel needs to start respecting the lives of all people.

Yes he did say that. He did not expect it as under normal circumstances Israel would not have responded in the way she did. I am sure I have read it was because you wanted to check your Dahiya doctrine. If you do not like having 43 Israeli civilians and 12 IDF killed and hundreds of civilians injured, it is hardly surprising that you have lost all their support by your actions resulting in "'1,109 Lebanese deaths, the vast majority of whom were civilians, 4,399 injured, and an estimated 1 million displaced" in a war which according to Avnery never should have been fought. It is a no brainer how you lost the good will of the people.....and it was that war that lost you the support of the Maronite Christians. You had not lost it before.

 

He is one Israeli, we have many more with diffrent opinions just as smart as Avneri is, its not really an objective reasearch when you keep mentioning the same ppl you know fit your narrative.

Arabs never lost a war since 1948 and their fighters are immortal so only civilians reported to die, I dont trust their numbers and I dont understand your point here, since when does a country decides to halt its war objectives because too little on it side have died ?

No lady, you dont start a war and tie soldiers hands because the other side is not as strong as you, the only time for respect and diplomacy comes before the war, trying to avoid one, not kidnap soldiers and then negotiate - that's called "surrendering", to give the initiative to the enemy and play in their game means surrendering - and like I said we are not here to be killed for Lebanease joy and peacful living.

I forgot we ever had any support by anyone in the Arab world, thge support you speak of is not worth mentioning IMO, what few that didnt see Israel as the devil would have thought so within their own homes never to speak out and they would have changed their minds anyway over time because we always have issues with them.

 

None the less he is a very informed person having been around since before the inception of Israel. It is true he is a person who wants peace and a two state solution. Now without proper research and examples you are not providing any information to prove what he said was wrong. He said the action taken by Hezbollah would normally have just resulted in a reprisal. Please show me the other times when Hezbollah acted in a similar manner and you went to war? Please tell me what was the reason for this war against Lebanon and what you hoped to achieve.

Sarcasm and disrespect towards your opposition not a good idea

Well that is ususal Israel spin. Generally speaking Israel kills far far more civilians than anyone else. Look at your last time in Gaza. You killed over 500 children. Hamas killed one. The majority of those killed by Hamas, Israeli soldiers. The majority of those killed by Israel civilians. At your 2014 massacre of Gaza they were putting up civilian casualties every day.

so your objective in going to war was to kill as many Lebanese as possible. Great. My point was, you start a war and then complain about your civilian casualities when you have killed massive more of their civilians as well of course as destroying civilian infrastructure. Why did you have this war. What did you hope to achieve. It is generally believed you lost this war and no that is not true of all arab wars but this one it is....though how anyone decides that is beyond me. I seem to remember the people of Lebanon believe that you want Lebanon as well - I guess your long occupation was a hint of that.

You don't start a war unless there is no other way to resolve the situation. You had no reason for this war. Your general reaction to the actions of Hezbollah was a reprisal. Hence you taking it out on the civilians of Lebanon was for another reason.

and you bothered with none of that. Why did you fight this war Gilos? It was not because of the actions of Hezbollah as your normal response was a reprisal as your response has been since.

How many civilians was it you killed in Gaza because you believed one of your soldiers had been killed. I think it was 180 though may have been 280.

Well it obviously could be but if you believe as you appear to above that you need to kill massess and masses of your opposition before you have won, I doubt they would think you would stop for one soldier. Indeed as we know you would not. Instead you would kill him, destroy property for miles around and kill all the civilians in the vicinity.

No, you are involved in getting Eretz Israel and throwing the indigenous population off their lands

Of course it is not. You likely were wanting their land anyway. Anyway I am sure you will fit in real well with your new friends the Sauds and their support of terrorists.

 

We went to war with Lebanon because they kidnapped and murdered soldiers just a month after Gilad Shalit was kidnapped in Gaza and during a military OP in Gaza because of that, so you and Avneri say it's nothing, "normal" behavior by our neighbors, we say its a coordinated attack on Israel on two fronts at the same time and we didnt put up with that, we went to war to stop this trend of kidnapping by making sure the other side will understand it wont be worth it. it was not a "normal" attack and Israelis are never calm when it comes to our soldiers being kidnapped, it also has enormous risk to Israel because every kidnapped soldier means hundreds in not thousands of hostile terrorists being freed - so the "trend" had to be stopped.